What's the point of the Flak Jacket?

[Moondane]

It's probably the worst piece of armor in the game, it's bad at everything: the speed is terrible compared to the Heavy Ballistic Vest when it only offers a bit more armor, the ballistic vest skills, boosts and perks don't apply to it, the CTV and the ICTV have way more armor than it at the cost little to none speed. It's not the best at anything, it's not versatile, it's just plain terrible.

[Peanits]

I believe they originally intended the armor you used play a bigger part in leveling up, where if you only had the flak jacket unlocked, that's what you'd use. But with how fast you level up these days and with the rise of dodge, it has been completely replaced. Now you can get better results from level 0 just by tossing on a suit with rogue.

It might be nice if the middle armors gave some other bonuses, like increased health to synergize with health related perk decks/skills.

[Wayz]

I found it to work ok with new deck. It has the same rating as the HBV does if it has the +20 skill so you can shave off 3 points here and dont ace ironman etc.
Regen is slower than the HBV though and obviously you mobility will take a hit but it is a way to save points and still maintain high armour rating.

[Gamecrazy009]

I still say they need a rework both stat and fashion.

Hideous armor, you only look good in Suit, Vest, or ICTV.

Anything in the middle just looks awful.

[Lettuce Taco Bout It]

Originally posted by Gamecrazy009:

I still say they need a rework both stat and fashion.

Hideous armor, you only look good in Suit, Vest, or ICTV.

Anything in the middle just looks awful.

Bodhi and clover still look like clowns in ICTV imo.
And Bonnie can't even afford the extra width from armor. lel

[Moondane]

Originally posted by Gamecrazy009:

I still say they need a rework both stat and fashion.

Hideous armor, you only look good in Suit, Vest, or ICTV.

Anything in the middle just looks awful.

I agree with that, some armor customization, or option to hide it would be nice. Closing the suits, too.

There's a mod called Wolf Armor, it's a reskin that turns the armor black. It looks like nice, shame only the people who have it can see.

[Miles Away]

Originally posted by Gamecrazy009:

I still say they need a rework both stat and fashion.

Hideous armor, you only look good in Suit, Vest, or ICTV.

Anything in the middle just looks awful.

Agreed.

Instead of a flat piece of body armor, I wish they'd make it some sort of plate carrier etc, with magazines or shotguns shells depending on what weapons/skills you have.
Would make the game much more aesthetically pleasing IMO.

[Moondane]

Originally posted by Peanits:

I believe they originally intended the armor you used play a bigger part in leveling up, where if you only had the flak jacket unlocked, that's what you'd use. But with how fast you level up these days and with the rise of dodge, it has been completely replaced. Now you can get better results from level 0 just by tossing on a suit with rogue.

It might be nice if the middle armors gave some other bonuses, like increased health to synergize with health related perk decks/skills.

Yeah, I understand what it was originally supposed to do, but now that things have changed, they should rework to make it at least usable, in fact they should rework the whole armor concept.

[Moondane]

Originally posted by wayward:

I found it to work ok with new deck. It has the same rating as the HBV does if it has the +20 skill so you can shave off 3 points here and dont ace ironman etc.
Regen is slower than the HBV though and obviously you mobility will take a hit but it is a way to save points and still maintain high armour rating.

The hit in mobility is just too strong, it's not worth the extra armor, the ballistic vest improvement is a low-tier skill, so there's little to no reason not to invest on it, especially if you're running an Anarchist Build.

[BlackRibbon]

Originally posted by Esquerda:

Originally posted by Gamecrazy009:

I still say they need a rework both stat and fashion.

Hideous armor, you only look good in Suit, Vest, or ICTV.

Anything in the middle just looks awful.

I agree with that, some armor customization, or option to hide it would be nice. Closing the suits, too.

There's a mod called Wolf Armor, it's a reskin that turns the armor black. It looks like nice, shame only the people who have it can see.

Why not just change the models?
http://forums.lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=12561

[Moondane]

Originally posted by Black Ribbon:

Originally posted by Esquerda:

I agree with that, some armor customization, or option to hide it would be nice. Closing the suits, too.

There's a mod called Wolf Armor, it's a reskin that turns the armor black. It looks like nice, shame only the people who have it can see.

Why not just change the models?
http://forums.lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=12561

I use this mod too, but Wolf Armor still looks really nice. Also, as I said it would be nice if other people were able to see things as I see, such is my character wearing ICTV with a suit model.

[Wayz]

Originally posted by Esquerda:

Originally posted by wayward:

I found it to work ok with new deck. It has the same rating as the HBV does if it has the +20 skill so you can shave off 3 points here and dont ace ironman etc.
Regen is slower than the HBV though and obviously you mobility will take a hit but it is a way to save points and still maintain high armour rating.

The hit in mobility is just too strong, it's not worth the extra armor, the ballistic vest improvement is a low-tier skill, so there's little to no reason not to invest on it, especially if you're running an Anarchist Build.

Yeah thats what I did in the end too, was more if you really needed the points. But the flak jacket DID perform well with Anarchist.

[Moondane]

Originally posted by wayward:

Originally posted by Esquerda:

The hit in mobility is just too strong, it's not worth the extra armor, the ballistic vest improvement is a low-tier skill, so there's little to no reason not to invest on it, especially if you're running an Anarchist Build.

Yeah thats what I did in the end too, was more you really needed the points. But the flak jacket DID perform well with Anarchist.

It might perform well, but it's still pretty much the worst.

[Wayz]

Originally posted by Esquerda:

Originally posted by wayward:

Yeah thats what I did in the end too, was more you really needed the points. But the flak jacket DID perform well with Anarchist.

It might perform well, but it's still pretty much the worst.

You win lol.

[☠SAR_Boats☠]

Originally posted by Futura Miles:

Originally posted by Gamecrazy009:

I still say they need a rework both stat and fashion.

Hideous armor, you only look good in Suit, Vest, or ICTV.

Anything in the middle just looks awful.

Agreed.

Instead of a flat piece of body armor, I wish they'd make it some sort of plate carrier etc, with magazines or shotguns shells depending on what weapons/skills you have.
Would make the game much more aesthetically pleasing IMO.

This x1000

[Demoni Foxy]

It had some use but now with perkdecks? its waste of spot in armor selection.