Hate on OVERKILL software

[Rapture]

Can someone explain me why everyone so much hate OVK and Almir ?

"They release ton of paid DLCs, 120e for game, no thanks" Yeah, and they realease lots of free stuff also, btw did any of you had a look at Train Simulator 2016 ? Do you know how much DLCs are there ? 258. Do you know how much that cost ? Over 4000e. You also dont need all of ( older ones are not good these days ) not even talking about option of buying them and 75% off sales. + You can still join heists that you do not own.

"Microtransactions" "CS GO clone" Now lets talk only about skins, safes and drills. I see no single reason why would anyone dont like them, its pure cosmetic. And drill drops ( 3 of them ) and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ made me around 8e.

"Almir promised there will be no microtransactions" Yeah, and many developers promised they ll release game at xx:xx and released game never / monts / years later. Again, why are we talking about it like microtransactions are bad ? Almir still probably went to far with "shame on you if you think othervised"

"There was supposed to be only free stuff at Crimefest 2015" Yeah, and there were only free updates.

"Stat boosts make this game pay to win" Ok, you would have to wait really long to get stat boosts on all your weapons and buying skins with them give you advantage. But how big that advantage is ? Will it make I-45 win all DW heists ? Will +1 concealtment make me OP ? Also how exactly do you win this game ? Reaching XXV-100 ?

"Completely overkill pack contains only special skins and some masks" Well, that masks look hella good, OVK said its for players that want to support them. My friend recently bought Completely overkill for 120e just because of that masks. I would still probably give that supporters some better advantage like ability to host some exclusive heist.

"Bad community and random players" Well, than make your own lobby and play with friends. "I dont have any friends" Well, go to random lobbies and find good ones / write on steam comunity and add active, not toxic players.

"There are same heists all the time" There are over 30 heists that have some random number generator in them ( objective location etc.). But you have loud / stealth + many different play styles based on your skills. Dont you CS GO players here get bored of that 10 played maps ? +Overkill adds more and more stuff all the time

So, what are you opinions on all this stuff, did i forgot to mention somethink ?

[Rapture]

Originally posted by Datguyoverthere:

tl;dr fanboy of overkill

Yeah a little fan of payday 2 that dont see reason for so much hate. tl:dr just wanted to mention everythink that came to my mind

[Rapture]

Originally posted by Datguyoverthere:

Originally posted by Rapture:

Yeah a little fan of payday 2 that dont see reason for so much hate. tl:dr just wanted to mention everythink that came to my mind

"little", yeah you basically countered EVERY remark on this thread.

Ok, so can you tell me what exactly you dont like on payday2 / overkill software ?

[Pterigonius]

You may be in the other extreme though. Does this game and its developers deserve to get some critique and shait? Yes. Does it deserve as much of those as the "wonderful" community gives it? NO.

[Rex]

Originally posted by Rapture:

"They release ton of paid DLCs, 120e for game, no thanks" Yeah, and they realease lots of free stuff also, btw did any of you had a look at Train Simulator 2016 ? Do you know how much DLCs are there ? 258. Do you know how much that cost ? Over 4000e. You also dont need all of ( older ones are not good these days ) not even talking about option of buying them and 75% off sales. + You can still join heists that you do not own.

A while ago Overkill had a plan on only adding very few DLC as I recall... but that didn't really mean overkill should have kept the prices so high for so little :/

[Mother_Flowers]

It's because of many things, I'm a little tired so I'm just gonna copy and paste something I've written on another thread months ago. I wrote something else I agree with more, but I can't find it.

Originally posted by ➤ Mother_Flowers beta:

It's a $20 online co-op with over $100's worth of DLC's (not counting sales ofc), a horrible Free:Paid ratio of content, does countless collaborations with out-dated or barley popular games and movie titles for more paid stuff and even then, (expect for Point Break and Lab Rats) the content is pretty similar and hardly unique. Even Goat Sim Day 1 is BOS + HB merged together. And the devs themselves are pretty horrible, Crimefest which was meant to be an event of free content turned out to be a collection of:
- Masks
- Features that we shouldn't have to work towards to get (Ai Teamate Trading?! A modder could've do that!)
- Features that we should've got 2 & 1/2 years ago w/ the game's release (Character Selection etc.)
And then we did get heists, 2 of them being remakes off heists from P:TH (which don't get me wrong were good, but back onto the unoriginal point). And this is just the more recent stuff, don't get me started how they advertised their new TWD game (which is gonna flop) by making a new announcement everyday for 31 days w/ a new short audio clip which slowly hinted to whatever was being "revealed" on the 31st day. At *NO* point did Overkill even hint that it could be something that wasn't Payday-related. And again, there are still worse stuff Overkill have done.

Think of it this way, the Micro-Transactions were the tip off the iceberg for loads of horid things OVK had done (and the fact the secret item for a $20 Pre-Order DLC was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from the MT's we clearly hated didn't help)

There's also other things that's to due with lack of free content, I mean have you seen Crimefest 2015?! The two remakes and Aftershock, yeah sure, but everything else feels like it was done in the last week before Crimefest. "Er yeah sure, you now have to unlock an update to fix the Swat Turret, or add in a Bipod that's been in the game files for what feels like years and doesn't even work 100% and required a bunch of updates after it, just it wouldn't be broken.". Then there's the "What's Next" event, that was an absolute disgrace. Whoever thought that would be a good idea deserved to be fired. Then there's the Pirate Hat as a reward for the 30k Concurrent Players challenge and many other things that didn't even occur in 2015. As I said, I'm tired and just doing things off the top off my head...

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Rapture:

Originally posted by Datguyoverthere:

"little", yeah you basically countered EVERY remark on this thread.

Ok, so can you tell me what exactly you dont like on payday2 / overkill software ?

Broken promisses, liying, arm and leg hitboxes, bad balance, crimefest 2015, excessive colabs, "your opinion, my choice", some censoring that happened in the forums.

[Renataendborinn]

adding a "exclusive" heist to the COP would be a awful awful idea. since that would be them litterly taking time and energy to make a entirely new heist and then limiting it to only people who have the COP. which would be basicly them shooting themself in the foot so hard if they did not make COP buyable in the steam store. since it would take a piece of actual gameplay instead of just cosmetic items and limit it to a select few who got it off steam when it was buyable. or who forked over tons of money to a scalper. and it would also take away dev time and money from content for everyone els. since masks really are not as time intensive as a entire heist. since all a mask needs is a bit of coding some modeling coloring ect. where a map needs objective markers,new voicelines,some new assets,coding for diffrent steps,play testing,optimizing ect. edit: i personaly hate pirating programs and iv bought every dlc i could from the steam store. but if a exclusive heist was locked behind cop alot more people would use dlc unlockers to try it since its bs to have to pay 200+ dollars for a heist.

[kryptonix]

Umm, okay. You answered your own question. Lets all go home nao.

[Dr. Boom]

DLC powercreep.

Horrible retail release that left console players waiting months in a beta state.

Horrible treatment of console platform, and also abandoning it. Don't worry, they post "updates" when they feel like it.

Excessive promotional DLC that no one asked for. Locking content behind other games.

Mishandling $250,000 worth of tournament money.

Asking $20 from fans as a sign of "loyalty", make said owners wait months, then lie about the content included in said $20 pack by releasing gameplay altering stats.

Lies upon lies, then trying to weasel out by saying they never promised microtransactions.

Hype Train. ♥♥♥♥ that.

Lack of action to fix bugs handled by community mods.

Overall, a lack of integrity is why I'll harp on Overkill.

[puzzlefox]

Originally posted by Datguyoverthere:

Originally posted by Rapture:

Ok, so can you tell me what exactly you dont like on payday2 / overkill software ?

Some great soul did it for me in a video format.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf0DvM0szis

I love this video! I could listen to that brooding nerd-lisp all day.

[Rapture]

Originally posted by Datguyoverthere:

Originally posted by Rapture:

Ok, so can you tell me what exactly you dont like on payday2 / overkill software ?

Some great soul did it for me in a video format.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf0DvM0szis

ok, i watched entire video and agree with some parts, but i never saw someone mentioning unrelated concent and that overkill is working with 505, startbreeze ... when they said they are independent. Can you try to counter my counters of peoples opininons ?

[NoFlu]

I like how people always point at train sim when it comes to DLCs. It's not justified just because someone is even worse then you......

[Dr. Boom]

Originally posted by NoFlu:

I like how people always point at train sim when it comes to DLCs. It's not justified just because someone is even worse then you......

It's also comparing two different games with a target demographic that spends money on another level. It's difficult to compare Payday 2's model because it copies from other games. Payday 2 is the the video game equivalent of a mutt bred from a threesome between CS:GO and TF2, but Free-to-Play got some lucky sloppy seconds.

And you're right that pointing out how much worse the DLC situation could have been doesn't justify anything. This observation doesn't offer a solution. So, train simulators charge a lot of money? Tell me why this is relevant to Payday 2 and how it can be fixed.

[NoFlu]

Originally posted by Red the Homeworld Traitor:

Originally posted by NoFlu:

I like how people always point at train sim when it comes to DLCs. It's not justified just because someone is even worse then you......

It's also comparing two different games with a target demographic that spends money on another level. It's difficult to compare Payday 2's model because it copies from other games. Payday 2 is the the video game equivalent of a mutt bred from a threesome between CS:GO and TF2, but Free-to-Play got some lucky sloppy seconds.

And you're right that pointing out how much worse the DLC situation could have been doesn't justify anything. This observation doesn't offer a solution. So, train simulators charge a lot of money? Tell me why this is relevant to Payday 2 and how it can be fixed.

It's like:
"Guy A beat his GF 1 time."
"It isn't that bad, Guy B beat his GF 6 times"
It doesn't matter, they are both ♥♥♥♥....
The example is a bit overkill but hey, the logic still applies....

[Dr. Boom]

Originally posted by NoFlu:

a bit overkill

You cheeky ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.