Rats Day 3 Question

[Nova]

Hey guys I got a question about Rats Day 3...
I've done that heist quite a few times but yesterday it gave a crazy amount of xp so I checked the wikia.
It states that bonus xp is awarded if the following occurs: "on securing bag if all 14 suitcases opened and total number of secured bags equals number of money bags found in the bus. If the players had secured 11 bags on the previous days and all suitcases contained money, the XP would be rewarded after securing 3 more bags from the bus. If the players had secured 11 bags on the previous days and less than 12 suitcases contained money, the XP cannot be awarded (the bags from the previous days cannot work because all suitcases need to be open; the money from the suitcases cannot work because, when throwing the first money bag into the helicopter, the total number of secured bags already exceeds the number of money bags found in the bus)."

Can anyone tell me how exactly it's supposed to work?
I always secure 11 bags day1+2, I just did rats again and the bus had 13/14 money in the suitcases. So in that case would I just throw 2 bags into the helicopter and leave the rest to get the xp? Is there a difference if I buy ace pilot or not (to trigger the extra xp).
What confuses me is that I always took everything on day 3 but yesterday for some reason it gave WAY more xp than it usually does so if the text in the wikia is correct I dont get it.
So long story short if you know how to get it every time please tell me how (predicated on enough money spawning in the first place of course).

Thanks in advance, Wes

[Tuffcooke]

Secure it for the XP. Ace Pilot has no effect on XP, but makes the trip marginally easier and I strongly recommend getting it on every run.

[Nova]

Unfortunately that didn't clear things up xD Thanks anyways tho.
To clarify the way I understand the wikia entry would be as long as more bags spawn on day 3 than you have secured thus far the xp should be awarded however this doesn't seem to be the case for me otherwise I would have gotten it a lot more often.
Just now I had 11 on day 1+2 then threw 13 in the heli on day 3 and I got a measily 92K xp...yesterday it gave like 1-2 mil or whatever I just remember it was considerably more than I usually get (on deathwish pro job)

[Unknown Knight]

Basically, your final day, to trigger the bonus exp, you must secure a total number of bags equal to the money spawned in the bus.

Take these scenarios:

Scenario 1
Day 1 + 2, 3 bags secured.
Day 3: 13 money spawned.
To trigger bonus exp you need to secure (13 - 3 = 10) to trigger bonus exp.

Scenario 2
Day 1 + 2, 11 bags secured
Day 3: 12 money bags spawned
To trigger bonus you need to secure (12 - 11 = 1) to trigger bonus exp.

Scenario 3, which is what you're asking about
Day 1 + 2, 11 bags secured
Day 3: 11 bags spawned
You can't trigger the bonus because the code doesn't detect the 11th bag secured.
The game code receives it as:
- 12th bag secured. Not 11th bag, no bonus
- 13th bag secured. Not 11th bag, no bonus.
etc.

Hope this clears it up :)

[Unknown Knight]

Also regarding the exp Day 3:
Escape: 2000, base exp
Bag bonus, 14000, base exp

Not taking into account infamy bonuses, bag bonus exp is worth 14000x11x1.45 (1.45 for full perk deck) = 223,300 on Overkill and 14000x14x1.45 = 284,200 on Deathwish.

So yeah, looking at 92k exp, looks like the bag bonus didn't trigger for you.

[BubblestationCPH]

Originally posted by YouTube: Unknown Knight:

Basically, your final day, to trigger the bonus exp, you must secure a total number of bags equal to the money spawned in the bus.

Take these scenarios:

Scenario 1
Day 1 + 2, 3 bags secured.
Day 3: 13 money spawned.
To trigger bonus exp you need to secure (13 - 3 = 10) to trigger bonus exp.

Scenario 2
Day 1 + 2, 11 bags secured
Day 3: 12 money bags spawned
To trigger bonus you need to secure (12 - 11 = 1) to trigger bonus exp.

Scenario 3, which is what you're asking about
Day 1 + 2, 11 bags secured
Day 3: 11 bags secured.
You can't trigger the bonus because the code doesn't detect the 11th bag secured.
The game code receives it as:
- 12th bag secured. Not 11th bag, no bonus
- 13th bag secured. Not 11th bag, no bonus.
etc.

Hope this clears it up :)

good info.. just a question. what if the scenario is

Day 1 + 2 12 bags secured
Day 3 9 bags secured

That wont trigger a bonus either?

[Unknown Knight]

Originally posted by BubblestationCPH:

good info.. just a question. what if the scenario is

Day 1 + 2 12 bags secured
Day 3 9 bags secured

That wont trigger a bonus either?

As long as you have more bags or equal secured from Day 1 + 2, than the bags spawned in the bus, no bonus, yup.

So basically if (Day 1 + 2) >= Day 3, no bonus.

Bear in mind that you have to open all the suitcases so I'm guessing blowing the bus before all suitcases are open will void the that bonus objective.

[*.)]

Knight covered it prett good.

To add, but for day 1

Cook 3 or 7 bags.
Inbetween does nothing to boost XP. The amount of XP for 4,5 & 6 bags is the same as 3. Only 7 (and securing them in the van) gives max XP.

(the only reason to cook between 4 and 7 bags, is so you can see which of the rooms has the intel. In case you want to rush through day 2).

[NIBBA]

Necromancer here.

Do you need to get the exact amount of bags in the bus, or can you get more?

[Unknown Knight]

Originally posted by EbolaKnecht:

Necromancer here.
Do you need to get the exact amount of bags in the bus, or can you get more?

It should only be awarded the 1st time the game code finds a match for the condition.

To make things simple, for bonus exp:
1) Open all suitcases
2) Secure all the loot

[Pawnstar]

To be safe, just loot everything. Cash is king, after all.