Second wind skill

[Anemone🌸]

This skill really need to go away or at least swap with something else. As if anyone who use a high concealment lowblow build need more move speed. It is so awkward with that constantly changing move speed when you or your teammate lose their armor.

Edit: The skill should not be mandatory for anyone who wish to climb the skill tree.

[d¡ve_bomber]

Someone can probably make a mod for you so you aren't affected by this skill ever.

[No.]

Originally posted by d¡ve_boмber:

Someone can probably make a mod for you so you aren't affected by this skill ever.

A mod for this wouldn't be the worst idea, although I wouldn't use it, since it would technically be a cheat, even if it's a debuf, since I'm gaining an advantage out of it.

Guess we'll have to either pray that it's tweaked or add it to the ever growing list of features for the pub wonderland.

[BubblestationCPH]

2nd wind have killed me twice today cus of unpredictable speedboost that caused me to stear wrong..
hmmm..

edit; havnt/cant counted the times it have saved me. sooo...

[Email Soup]

The loss of some dodge sprint can be made up with the second wind skill, in my opinion.
It's insanely useful, but I agree that it should be in a different spot. Making it mandatory to travel up that subtree is silly, because it can be distracting and disorienting to some heisters.

[Mosey]

Personally, I love this skill on every build I've put together so far. It pairs well with everything, and really there are very few, if any, scenario where I would want to move slower.

How does this 'throw you off' when you start moving 30% faster? Does it also 'throw you off' when you can sprint around the map while shooting and reloading without ever taking your finger off shift? Probably. But you'll learn how to shoot again. That's really what this comes down to. Expect -everyone- to have this skill, because it's an amazing skill.

Dodge builds moving -slower- sounds like a pretty stupid idea personally. When your armor gets broken, you take cover. You take cover faster with this skill. The only way this skill could 'throw you off' is if you're moving while firing. You know, the -least- accurate way of firing your gun by default. So it's throwing off sometehing that is already thrown off by a lot.

EDIT:

I will admit one thing though, frankly I feel this would have fit better in Mastermind since it stacks with Inspire speed, but at the same time it doesn't look like all the buffs are supposed to be there.

This skill was CLEARLY placed so low on the tree because ICTV and heavy armor in general are still SLOW. Now, if someone chooses those, they aren't AUTOMATICALLY left behind by their speed demon team.

I'd like to hear someone complain more about the fact the AI can no longer handle the speed at which players move, but no. Lets complain about Second Wind.

[Desert Kitsune MarlFox]

Originally posted by No:

Originally posted by d¡ve_boмber:

Someone can probably make a mod for you so you aren't affected by this skill ever.

A mod for this wouldn't be the worst idea, although I wouldn't use it, since it would technically be a cheat, even if it's a debuf, since I'm gaining an advantage out of it.

Guess we'll have to either pray that it's tweaked or add it to the ever growing list of features for the pub wonderland.

1.) how in the hell is it a cheat it doesnt give you any bonus only makes you not get a beneficial bonus
2.) if you hate the skill why wouldnt you use it
3.) i want a mod to remove the shotgun snap to zoom from the reload skill but i can accept it
4.) no that wouldnt be a cheat either
5.) dear god just because it changes anything doesnt make it a cheat

Originally posted by BubblestationCPH:

2nd wind have killed me twice today cus of unpredictable speedboost that caused me to stear wrong..
hmmm..

edit; havnt/cant counted the times it have saved me. sooo...

if you cant accept the speed boost either get used to it as it honestly isnt "sanic omg im bumping into walls 24/7" or make a mod to remove the bonus from you

if the speed boost made you miss a shot and you died because of it im sorry but you shouldnt have been there in the first place learn better positioning

[BubblestationCPH]

Originally posted by Desert Kitsune MarlFox:

Originally posted by No:

Originally posted by BubblestationCPH:

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if the speed boost made you miss a shot and you died because of it im sorry but you shouldnt have been there in the first place learn better positioning

wait what?? lol?

1 shot hit or mis can be thye diff from a skeeted clk or a rampaging dz. and its not a situation to run away from. those mofos needs to die eh?

anyways.. i fine with my positioning tyvm. its the route there that can be a concern. A 30 % boost, mebbi add inspire just as you do a 180 and it will rock most peeps for atleast a sec.

Its super when going straight and you have room around you, but its not very kool to be offset by 30 % in close quarters, smoke everywhere and shields n dz n dodgeusers (that prevents you from chain bomb them cus FF) all over the place.

I like the skill. and i still vouch for it as usefull for all. But it should possible to find a middleground where it doesnt affect peeps who dont like it, and/or is possible to make a build in this tree without being forced to take it.

[Desert Kitsune MarlFox]

are you trying to say the 30% boost applies to mouse movement

still dozers and cloakers can be run from for a sec or two expecialy with 30% speed boost

also stand still for a sec if you really need to get that shot out stop moving so much
because it made it a quote for no reason have this instead

[Copy & Cat]

It was made so that people would get to cover quickly after losing armor, it works wonders for dodge players since they have low armor, while i admit it feel wierd it's the same as complaing when you get a speed buff from inspire, and i never saw someone complaning about that, are you gonna tell me that this isn't gonna help the ICVT slow dude that it's carrying the heavy bag such as engine/server/artifact

[BubblestationCPH]

lol- yea. it was messed up in my end, and it just continues me think.

Anyways. no 30 % doesnt apply to mousemovement, that for look/aim only but i do use keyboard to move my toon so its not really a question is it?

But a not uncommon situation is something like this;
Cops turn off the power and you see the window of opportunity to run n turn it on. Unfortunatley you stumble into a dz just as you take a corner and in the middle of the spin to dodge him the 2ndwind procs.
You have no chance on earth to adjust to that during the time it useually takes to turn around run. Especially not if a sheild gives you a tiny push into the reiling of the stairs

That evade-action is more or less musclereflex, and yea.. 30 % is a big deal there

[Comand90]

Ace is kinda weird but basic is really good skill and helps with dodge and armor.
I'd change ace to maybe give more dodge when armor is broken instead of team effect.
I gotta say though: I had fun running Second Wind ace and damaging myself entire heist to give my team speed buff xD.

[Email Soup]

It shouldn't be a bottom tier skill that you're forced to get.
It's a huge hinderence to certain players who don't like it, much like 100% faster scope speed. It should be a choice if the player wants it, like run and reload.

I think it should be swapped with the silencers = more concealment ability in optic illusions.

The second wind should be where the 45% chance not to be targeted is, and the 45% chance to not get targeted should be the ace of the bottom tier skill.

If you follow.

[No.]

Originally posted by Honk Honk Mofo:

It was made so that people would get to cover quickly after losing armor, it works wonders for dodge players since they have low armor

As someone who's used nothing but dodge since it was included in the game, having low armour isn't an excuse to play like an idiot; if you are caught with your pants down a mile away from the nearest cover, it's your fault for being bad.

You don't need 30% extra speed to get to cover, since even with a max speed build you should always be able to get to cover in less than a second, no matter where you are.

while i admit it feel wierd it's the same as complaing when you get a speed buff from inspire, and i never saw someone complaning about that, are you gonna tell me that this isn't gonna help the ICVT slow dude that it's carrying the heavy bag such as engine/server/artifact

Why on earth would a turtle carry a heavy bag when literally anyone with anything but an ICTV would do it more efficiently? It seems that all of your reasons to validate this effect are based on rewarding bad play in general.

As for Inspire, that's something people will use when appropiate (eg; pushing the enemy line, moving bags, getting to an objective), not sometthing that will randomly trigger when you are fighting.

[BubblestationCPH]

K. i now officially dont like the skill after a round of Undercover

[Anemone🌸]

Can anyone who played more than 90% of their game on nothing but suit comment here?