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MickJaegar Jun 2, 2016 @ 7:51pm
Duck and cover aced got gutted?
Went from 25% dodge while sprinting, 15 while crouching and zipling to 10% while sprinting and 25% while ziplining, and ZERO while crouching? The hell's the point of calling it "Duck and Cover" at this point?
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88 keys Jun 2, 2016 @ 7:52pm 
i think they said the crouching got put into the default dodge
a lot of people were kind of upset about it
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Moondane Jun 2, 2016 @ 7:53pm 
That's a good question. They should've changed the name, at the very least.
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Jestersage Jun 2, 2016 @ 8:03pm 
Feel free to try my mod. I will attempt to put a proper duck and cover, but for now it will do:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c5dqn4x7hdkn36w/AAApvPl2rZE5d4ZOA_nnx4tZa?dl=0

The point is that it will restore functionality from pre-beta.

Some people will call it a cheat, but it's curious that the community is okay with mods that "rebalance" or make it harder, but not mods that make it to pre-beta values.
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Moondane Jun 2, 2016 @ 8:04pm 
Originally posted by Jestersage:
Feel free to try my mod. I will attempt to put a proper duck and cover, but for now it will do:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c5dqn4x7hdkn36w/AAApvPl2rZE5d4ZOA_nnx4tZa?dl=0

The point is that it will restore functionality from pre-beta.

Some people will call it a cheat, but it's curious that the community is okay with mods that "rebalance" or make it harder, but not mods that make it to pre-beta values.

I'm not okay with any of those.
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MickJaegar Jun 2, 2016 @ 8:49pm 
Originally posted by Cactusmasta:
i think they said the crouching got put into the default dodge
a lot of people were kind of upset about it
It is huh? Well ok, I must've missed that part
Do you also get the 15% dodge from sprinting innately now?
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SHOKK♥ Jun 2, 2016 @ 9:24pm 
Not a fan of Suit getting 5 dodge.
Just a lot of weird balance changes to where Dodge is just such a specific build now.
I use to run it with Anarchist, now I can't.
Last edited by SHOKK♥; Jun 2, 2016 @ 9:24pm
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MickJaegar Jun 2, 2016 @ 11:08pm 
Originally posted by shokk:
Not a fan of Suit getting 5 dodge.
Just a lot of weird balance changes to where Dodge is just such a specific build now.
I use to run it with Anarchist, now I can't.
Yeah, now you HAVE to run a deck that gives dodge for it to be any good. 15 base dodge from sneaky bastard + suit just isn't enough.
Last edited by MickJaegar; Jun 2, 2016 @ 11:08pm
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BlueSpark Jun 3, 2016 @ 2:53am 
Originally posted by Cactusmasta:
i think they said the crouching got put into the default dodge
Close, but not quite. The announcement by Overkill_Jules, if I remember correctly, was that 15% dodge were to be removed from crouching and sprinting while the base dodge for every player was to be increased by 10%. That would mean a 5% reduction while crouching or sprinting, but a 10% gain while standing/running. Sounds like an okay deal in my book.

Anyway, if the stats shown in the inventory are to be believed, the suit is still at 5 dodge (meaning that the promised 10% dodge buff isn't in place yet). At least that's how I understand it.
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Orin Jun 3, 2016 @ 2:57am 
Originally posted by Mick Jaegar:
The hell's the point of calling it "Duck and Cover" at this point?
Why calling it "Duck and Cover" if people using it for dodge don't go to cover and just running around like crazy?
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NoFlu Jun 3, 2016 @ 3:06am 
Originally posted by Mick Jaegar:
Originally posted by shokk:
Not a fan of Suit getting 5 dodge.
Just a lot of weird balance changes to where Dodge is just such a specific build now.
I use to run it with Anarchist, now I can't.
Yeah, now you HAVE to run a deck that gives dodge for it to be any good. 15 base dodge from sneaky bastard + suit just isn't enough.
That's nearly like it has a downside if you don't use it as intended and you have a hard time when using it with sth that gives you diffrent perks that give you...... I don't know..... 400 points of armor..... oh wait.....
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Salem Jun 3, 2016 @ 3:12am 
15% base dodge is more than enough, even only 5% with the LBV pre-official release.
Grinder used to be OP with only Sprinter and Duck and Cover, so basically 10% base dodge.

Just git gud. Dodge was OP, now it is still good and playable, there is even an undeserved buff for dodge while standing still for scrubs who can't crouch, run or crouchjump.
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Malidictus Jun 3, 2016 @ 3:12am 
The way Dodge got rebalanced, you get similar numbers to what you got before, just a lot of the dodge got moved out of skills and Perk Decks and back into the armour sets themselves. At least, that was the intention. You shouldn't get much if any less dodge for losing the crouching bonus, you just don't need to crouch for it.
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UIfix Jun 3, 2016 @ 3:27am 
The old one requires skill, since you need to crouch first. Now it feels cheap. It was a good design.
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Malidictus Jun 3, 2016 @ 3:36am 
Originally posted by Enigma:
The old one requires skill, since you need to crouch first. Now it feels cheap. It was a good design.

I'm not convinced "crouching" requires that much skill to pull off, honestly.
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NoFlu Jun 3, 2016 @ 3:45am 
Originally posted by Malidictus:
Originally posted by Enigma:
The old one requires skill, since you need to crouch first. Now it feels cheap. It was a good design.

I'm not convinced "crouching" requires that much skill to pull off, honestly.
Pressing CRTL and not pressing shift is hard work mate.....
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