How are your feelings about the "Starbreeze account"?

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[Maxine]

M.O.S.S の投稿を引用：

No one will read this but

The reason StarBreeze wants you to create an account with them is so they can have access to more data about you which they can sell.

This data is not just your IP , name and OS which people so desperately want to die on the forums about. Instead with a connection to Steam they are able to use handshake systems to get even other data from another party legally and happen to be able to sell that. Steam's data in essence in part not in full is open to them to look at.

They already do this with their employees who happen to have Linkin or Facebook accounts (hiring private policy). https://jobs.starbreeze.com/privacy-policy

(pay Day 2 private policy)https://www.starbreeze.com/payday2/privacy-policy/

THE PROBLEM (your safety):

IN PayDay 2 as an example they hold on to your data for 3 years after the last time you accessed it. Even if you closed your account you are required to contact them at their offices to tell them to stop selling you data. After all you're data is what makes them money even if your not playing anymore.

This is the same thing that FB does where that even cancelling your account they still hold your info. Ironically, FB also has a clause that everything you post/status/photos becomes their property to do whatever they want with. So cancelling with FB the previous data still belongs under ownership of FB.

Why you would want to cancel data they hold on you?

Well although a company like Starbreeze does everything in their power to protect you data. You're data is not just stopping at one place after they sell it off, it keeps rolling down the line. (Even encrypted things get lost or sold to those you might not want having it.) Telemarketers,Spam, etc

Also if StarBreeze is ever sold, it is mention that data folds into the new company etc.

WOULD YOU NOT LIKE TO BE PAID FOR YOU DATA?

Honestly, it's your data, should you not have the right to it to make that sweet 500 bucks or less off it. So why blindly handing it off to companies , simply because to play a game for what a year or two and forget it.

It's your choice, but since people legally blindly sign up to stuff. You just might want to reconsider.

Wow, like every single company ever? As long is it optional I don't care, but you will probably need for goodies and PAYDAY 3, who knows.

[Darius]

M.O.S.S の投稿を引用：

It's your choice, but since people legally blindly sign up to stuff. You just might want to reconsider.

Why sign up with Steam which is owned by Valve. Oh, wait, some people think Valve doesn't sell the data, that's cute. They do, just not in the standard way that most companies do.

[GunsForBucks]

Gus Fring の投稿を引用：

M.O.S.S の投稿を引用：

It's your choice, but since people legally blindly sign up to stuff. You just might want to reconsider.

Why sign up with Steam which is owned by Valve. Oh, wait, some people think Valve doesn't sell the data, that's cute. They do, just not in the standard way that most companies do.

Windows does the same thing as well. Just open task manager and look for text input.

The thing is though being aware of things and limiting exposure when you can.

Some digital trinkets does not seem enough to me to drop my pants. That may differ to a lot of people... still does not make anyone wrong for pointing out how it works.

[Da Atte]

Desert CAT 2: The sequel の投稿を引用：

i'm just going to post this for sake of clarity for those who are not aware

OVERKILL_Elisabeth の投稿を引用：

Hiya!
Please don't read too much into this ^^ Player accounts are a great way for us to be able to provide our players with more services both in the game and outside it. We’ll be able to implement cloud saving, item giveaways, rewards and other fun and useful features down the line. Plus, it's completely optional. No need to sign up if you don't want to :)

https://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/3156453942258960374/#c3156453942259005027

Of course I personally am wary of accounts from game devs/publishers (looking at Squenix and 2K... Like what the hell do I need accounts for those 2 for? Never underdstood it) but cloud saves are always welcome.

[Staufackar]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, why do we need to create a account just to get some stuff? just put there with the 100 card also.

[Steve Harvey Oswald]

Rayz の投稿を引用：

M.O.S.S の投稿を引用：

No one will read this but

The reason StarBreeze wants you to create an account with them is so they can have access to more data about you which they can sell.

This data is not just your IP , name and OS which people so desperately want to die on the forums about. Instead with a connection to Steam they are able to use handshake systems to get even other data from another party legally and happen to be able to sell that. Steam's data in essence in part not in full is open to them to look at.

They already do this with their employees who happen to have Linkin or Facebook accounts (hiring private policy). https://jobs.starbreeze.com/privacy-policy

(pay Day 2 private policy)https://www.starbreeze.com/payday2/privacy-policy/

THE PROBLEM (your safety):

IN PayDay 2 as an example they hold on to your data for 3 years after the last time you accessed it. Even if you closed your account you are required to contact them at their offices to tell them to stop selling you data. After all you're data is what makes them money even if your not playing anymore.

This is the same thing that FB does where that even cancelling your account they still hold your info. Ironically, FB also has a clause that everything you post/status/photos becomes their property to do whatever they want with. So cancelling with FB the previous data still belongs under ownership of FB.

Why you would want to cancel data they hold on you?

Well although a company like Starbreeze does everything in their power to protect you data. You're data is not just stopping at one place after they sell it off, it keeps rolling down the line. (Even encrypted things get lost or sold to those you might not want having it.) Telemarketers,Spam, etc

Also if StarBreeze is ever sold, it is mention that data folds into the new company etc.

WOULD YOU NOT LIKE TO BE PAID FOR YOU DATA?

Honestly, it's your data, should you not have the right to it to make that sweet 500 bucks or less off it. So why blindly handing it off to companies , simply because to play a game for what a year or two and forget it.

It's your choice, but since people legally blindly sign up to stuff. You just might want to reconsider.

Wow, like every single company ever? As long is it optional I don't care, but you will probably need for goodies and PAYDAY 3, who knows.

Just because other companies are doing it doesn't meant you should support it when this company starts to do it. You shouldn't support it when any company does it. Whether it be Starbreeze, Valve, or anybody. Draw the line in the sand before "It's just optional" turns into "it's the way we've always done things."

[Mr.Bullshitter]

Meh, don't really care. Everyone here is just super paranoid, and people still think Payday 3 is going to be an epic exclusive? Overkill is not retarded (or at least not anymore) they wouldn't backstab 70% of their playerbase Koch media or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ their called doesn't control OVK.

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Sus

[Defective Soul]

neutral / waithing for extra stuff on for SteamOS

[Lemushki]

I actually do not dislike it and I think it is cool!

The possibilities could include even CROSS PROGRESSION down the line and CROSS PLAY so I can't see this as a negative.

Does some people think that they would be getting some sort of personal data out of us this way?
Yes

Will they do this?
I do not know

Do I care?
Actually not... Google and Microsoft do this daily on my phone and PC without asking so... Yeah... It would be just another drop in the ocean.

[JJ, Professional Fool]

Lemushki の投稿を引用：

I actually do not dislike it and I think it is cool!

The possibilities could include even CROSS PROGRESSION down the line and CROSS PLAY so I can't see this as a negative.

Does some people think that they would be getting some sort of personal data out of us this way?
Yes

Will they do this?
I do not know

Do I care?
Actually not... Google and Microsoft do this daily on my phone and PC without asking so... Yeah... It would be just another drop in the ocean.

My beef ain't even the distribution of collected data for pixels. It's how the direction of gaming is going the same corpo route copy pasting practices for escrow. Yet for a practice so common nobody points fingers at the once corrupt method of profiting is accepted and normalized. Luke warm to it even.

As I grow older the world is just more and more depressing. Even the holidays are warped just like modern practices. Humans are cattle. Just another mark.

[GunsForBucks]

We do too much Trolling の投稿を引用：

Meh, don't really care. Everyone here is just super paranoid, and people still think Payday 3 is going to be an epic exclusive? Overkill is not retarded (or at least not anymore) they wouldn't backstab 70% of their playerbase Koch media or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ their called doesn't control OVK.

Sorry to break it to you, but a couple of things to note.

Unreal engine cost. It used to be 25% but Tim Sweeney recently lowered it and the line at they started to charge for it. Thing is Starbreeze is looking to save costs.. going epic exclusive lets them use the unreal engine for free. Also we don't know what kind of contract they signed when they started to use the engine.

Secondly and probably the most obvious thing.... They do not have a Payday 3 steam store page.

Games like Kerbal Space Program had the KSP2 steam store page up when they announced KSP2.

You know Starbreeze wouldn't ignore free advertising... if they were coming to steam they would have a store page up by now. Steam rules prohibit games from promoting on the platform if they intend to be exclusive elsewhere.. they can be fined. This rule was implemented shortly after Epic started with the exclusive stuff.

So basically the fact there is not Payday 3 steam store page pretty much confirms it will be an epic exclusive.

That is why I think the sign up thing is going to be a backdoor epic launcher.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Why are people this upset about something that even Overkill has stated IS ENTIRELY OPTIONAL! If you don't want to use it then that's perfectly fine but people are acting like its something that's being forced on people! Hell to the person that went "oh its just an industry standard these days to have games be a kind of service" what the ♥♥♥♥ do you think Steam is then!

[Thermal Lance]

GunsForBucks の投稿を引用：

We do too much Trolling の投稿を引用：

Meh, don't really care. Everyone here is just super paranoid, and people still think Payday 3 is going to be an epic exclusive? Overkill is not retarded (or at least not anymore) they wouldn't backstab 70% of their playerbase Koch media or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ their called doesn't control OVK.

Sorry to break it to you, but a couple of things to note.

Unreal engine cost. It used to be 25% but Tim Sweeney recently lowered it and the line at they started to charge for it. Thing is Starbreeze is looking to save costs.. going epic exclusive lets them use the unreal engine for free. Also we don't know what kind of contract they signed when they started to use the engine.

Secondly and probably the most obvious thing.... They do not have a Payday 3 steam store page.

Games like Kerbal Space Program had the KSP2 steam store page up when they announced KSP2.

You know Starbreeze wouldn't ignore free advertising... if they were coming to steam they would have a store page up by now. Steam rules prohibit games from promoting on the platform if they intend to be exclusive elsewhere.. they can be fined. This rule was implemented shortly after Epic started with the exclusive stuff.

So basically the fact there is not Payday 3 steam store page pretty much confirms it will be an epic exclusive.

That is why I think the sign up thing is going to be a backdoor epic launcher.

Not every devs set up a store page this early. Not saying you are wrong and that it will not be an exclusive. Just saying that this alone dosen't mean much in the grand scheme of things. It dosen't "confirm" anything.

If it goes EGS exclusive then so be it. Will be a shame since my "hype" will be pretty much gone by the time the game releases on Steam but there is enough suckers in the community to support them even on EGS anyway.

Even thought, to be honest, I'm way more concerned about the game being actually good than which store it releases on first. I can wait. I won't be hyped anymore but if the game is worth it, I'll wait. But, I fear it's going to be another dud or a very underwhelming experience compared to Payday 2. As far as I am concerned, I lost confidence into Overkill as a videogame developper. The only reason I'm still here is that there a shred of hope in my mind that they won't ♥♥♥♥ this up. But, it's just that, a small shred.

[Thermal Lance]

Cursed Hawkins の投稿を引用：

Why are people this upset about something that even Overkill has stated IS ENTIRELY OPTIONAL! If you don't want to use it then that's perfectly fine but people are acting like its something that's being forced on people! Hell to the person that went "oh its just an industry standard these days to have games be a kind of service" what the ♥♥♥♥ do you think Steam is then!

There is optional. Then there is "1/3 of the content is locked behind it." optional. Just look at Payday 2. Following the community is 100% optional but just take a look at what you are missing out on. Still optional if you want the full experience heh?