Troubles with Death Sentence

[Bt]

I'm having issues playing loud heists at the DS difficulty. I have my bots equipped with the meta weapons, use leech and a graze sniper build with first aid kits and have jokers. The literal millisecond I come out of cover, cops seem to NEVER target bots or jokers over me, and down me instantly or use all my 10 leech segments in seconds. This is made worse by the fact there just don't seem to be enough enemies around when I need to kill them to gain the segments back.

I know I'm not amazing at loud but failing even with the most OP deck added to the game either means I should give up or I've got a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horrible weapon and skill build.

Any suggestions?

[ZolaRay]

Try using something that isnt snipers, snipers have a higher skill ceilling than most weapons, maybe go with ARs or smgs.

[Termi.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrVHRF8MfYc

[Dr.Vodka]

there's a thing called a team and not playing solo

[Bt]

Originally posted by Dr.Vodka9987:

there's a thing called a team and not playing solo

Kinda condescending. You assume everyone lives in the United States. This game is borderline unplayable in stealth with desync if you have any kind of lag. Therefore, my playerbase for stealth is limited to my own state within a country of which there are not many players to begin with.

I'm not saying I can't play loud with a large amount of desync, but I am saying if I want an enjoyable experience I'd have to play with people locally. Of which there are MAYBE 3-4 heists in the middle distance category filter. There are simply not enough people playing this game in this region to play loud enjoyably with randoms. I also only have one friend who plays this game, and they're even less skilled than I am. This means if I want to go for DS OD achievements, it needs to be done solo or I need to get people to carry me while I lag into cloakers and die with 10 seconds left on my bleedout timer.

[Dr.Vodka]

Originally posted by Ukraine Forever:

Originally posted by Dr.Vodka9987:

there's a thing called a team and not playing solo

Kinda condescending. You assume everyone lives in the United States. This game is borderline unplayable in stealth with desync if you have any kind of lag. Therefore, my playerbase for stealth is limited to my own state within a country of which there are not many players to begin with.

I'm not saying I can't play loud with a large amount of desync, but I am saying if I want an enjoyable experience I'd have to play with people locally. Of which there are MAYBE 3-4 heists in the middle distance category filter. There are simply not enough people playing this game in this region to play loud enjoyably with randoms. I also only have one friend who plays this game, and they're even less skilled than I am. This means if I want to go for DS OD achievements, it needs to be done solo or I need to get people to carry me while I lag into cloakers and die with 10 seconds left on my bleedout timer.

not condescending it's called different servers, and if you're getting desync then your internet is bad. it's a you problem at this point

[Bt]

Originally posted by Dr.Vodka9987:

not condescending it's called different servers, and if you're getting desync then your internet is bad. it's a you problem at this point

This is a P2P game. There are no servers. Lmao.

[RuntyFlame]

cops will always target players over ai if they have LoS so keep them defending objectives and holding good positions where cops can't get LoS too well

[Blockhead]

Even with Leech, the 'correct' weapons and builds, Death Sentence was designed to be punishingly hard. You'll routinely hear the hell of heists like Goat Sim and Lab Rats thrown around for how difficult they are to do on DSOD. Expect to fail, a lot. But persevere and eventually you'll make it.

[The man, the myth, the leg]

enemies tend to prioritise the player over converts/bots

i would suggest exoerimenting with various weapons to see what works for you, instead of blindly following the meta
some suggestions are:
LMGs/ lions roar at 86 dmg can 2-bodyshot lights with BE aced, but lack stats
AR/LMG with suporessors- better stats, can 3-bodyshot lights(BEA)
shotguns
battle rifle(100 dmg AR) with 80% donus dmg can 1 bodyshot light swats with BEA

[danzel curry]

When the criminal is immortal

[_galaxy]

Originally posted by Dwight Gaming:

I'm having issues playing loud heists at the DS difficulty. I have my bots equipped with the meta weapons, use leech and a graze sniper build with first aid kits and have jokers. The literal millisecond I come out of cover, cops seem to NEVER target bots or jokers over me, and down me instantly or use all my 10 leech segments in seconds. This is made worse by the fact there just don't seem to be enough enemies around when I need to kill them to gain the segments back.

I know I'm not amazing at loud but failing even with the most OP deck added to the game either means I should give up or I've got a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horrible weapon and skill build.

Any suggestions?

You're playing with AI? That's like adding more difficulty to an already difficult mode.

Though I do like one AI teammate because if gives bonuses to all the other 3 players. One AI teammate is better than a bad teammate. Just a single one though, 2 AI's would actually be a hinder.

[Vin]

Your choice of weapons aren't horrible and if you're using FAKs, jokers alongside Leech then you're doing pretty decent in terms of skills; usually, it's the skill of the player that's lacking
Should you quit cause you failed with the some of the most meta stuff? I don't think so, but it's certainly an option. DSOD takes a long time to get used to and an even longer time to get good at, so I don't think there's any shame in quitting now and sticking to other difficulties you're more comfortable with.
However, if you're looking to improve and maybe even enjoy the challenge then I do have some suggestions for you. I'm by no means an expert at DSOD but these tips have worked for me in improving my skill at the game.

1. Use cover. This is pretty much your main way of surviving DSOD and probably the most important suggestion I could give to you. One of the biggest difference between other difficulties and Death Sentence is that in other difficulties you can get away with standing out in the open and you won't be punished as much for not utilizing cover. However, in Death Sentence damage is through-the-roof to the point where overly exposing yourself will get you killed, even if you're using Leech. Limit line-of-site when shooting enemies so you don't over-expose and move back into cover when your armor is shot will help you stay alive for much longer.
   
2. Armor-gate. In this game, with the exception of explosives and snipers, so long as you have armor your health cannot be damaged. For example even if you have 20 armor you can still survive a shot that deals 200 damage. Combine this with cover and you can avoid taking health damage. A skill that is always worth picking up is "Bullseye" from the enforcer tree, just basic will do as it doesn't matter how much armor you have so long as it's at least 1. Bullseye has saved me countless times and works with every perkdeck except stoic.
   
3. Play slower. Rushing objectives will often lead to quick deaths, there's no time limit on when you do things so being more cautious will usually allow you to live longer. If you're in the middle of the assault and an objective is out in the open, going out there in the middle of an assault will usually get you killed. Waiting out an assault may take longer but it's safer and will result in less downs overall.
   
4. Get to know the maps your playing on. While some maps can be done without prior experience it can greatly help to know what objectives comes next, what places have good cover, where enemies spawn from etc. On some of the harder maps like Lab Rats or Bomb: Forest extra knowledge can go a long way in helping you complete the heist. Additionally some heists have hidden mechanics or good strategies which you might not know unless you look into it.
   
5. Play some of the "easier" heists first. While you can certainly dive right into the deep end and attempt some harder heists, it'll be much less painful and more enjoyable if you learn by playing some of the "easier" heists first. Personally, I'd recommend Counterfeit, Undercover or First World Bank as some of heists you can train on. These heists have a good amount of cover and fair objectives, so they're good candidates for if you're looking to learn or improve at DSOD.

There's a plethora of information I haven't covered, such as skills or weapons but since this is already long I'll leave it at some of the most general suggestions I can give to hopefully help you improve.

[Hatch]

No perk or build is going to carry you through DS. You just need more experience playing loud. You should have played every heist at least a few times before trying to do it on DS. For example, Brooklyn 10-10, Prison Nightmare, Green Bridge you only played 1 time, on Overkill or below.

also, if you want 0 downs, stoic is still far superior. The reason leech is 'OP' is because it gives you the most of the revenant tree for free, not for its survivability.

[Finale]

If I recall correctly, OP, relatively recent AI changes mean that human players are prioritized over bots or jokers when everything else is equal. That's going to be one factor. I agree with others that a graze build won't be particularly effective.

The root thing to remember is that DSOD is badly balanced to the point of absurdity. Normal combat engagement with enemies does not work, particularly since most enemies lack accuracy or damage falloff. You should rely on whatever tools or exploits are available to let you avoid that sort of gameplay, such as armor gating, heavy Joker use, or items like flashbangs that flatly reduce enemy accuracy.

[Dr.Vodka]

Originally posted by Dwight Gaming:

Originally posted by Dr.Vodka9987:

not condescending it's called different servers, and if you're getting desync then your internet is bad. it's a you problem at this point

This is a P2P game. There are no servers. Lmao.

it's a F2P game, there's servers