framing frame stealth day 3 is legit too hard.

[Igyzone]

Day 1, day 2 is easy, but 3....

Played it more than 30 times now. Even high infamy players I've played with, abandoned it after failing several times.

Soloing normal is also crazy hard. There is always issue wether finding those parts, looking for vault or planting coke because guards are just unpredictable.

Tried even with trip mines but it's not enough.

Only reason I'm doing is its because of the heritage mission with the old wine. Takes forever just to open those bookcases and close them again without guards noticing.

[Asassinx1]

Framing frame is not hard....completed this heist stealth first attempt every time we play it....

My advice is learn the mechanics of the day 3 guards and use patience to get the coke in the vault and the gold out. Once you done that its as easy as a standard bank heist

[Sunday Driver]

We've got a thread on FF day 3 just recently going on general discussion that has various info and tips on it and why it is the way it is. Have a look at that one.

[Mustard Seeds]

You don't need to learn mechanics or the patterns guards have (tho it helps), simply have patience and use the trip mines for the areas where you need to be alerted quickly from, also the only bookcase that can be considered hard is the one on the main lounge area, but if you get this area killing two guards it makes it way easier and just by timing it with good trip mine spots you can get away with having the door open for a while.

[Wandering Flare]

If opening/closing the bookshelf is the problem, then what you gotta do is:
If it's the bedroom bookshelf, then just check if there's a guard coming from the stairs or the kitchen through the doorway and open it, they'll take forever to get to the spot from which they might decide to enter the room.
If it's the hallway bookshelf, then check down the nearby stairs and the lounge, if there are no guards then you can open it up.
If it's the lobby one, just restart.

[Sunday Driver]

Originally posted by Martin Vol:

If it's the lobby one, just restart.

lol

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

Originally posted by Martin Vol:

If it's the lobby one, just restart.

lol

I mean it is doable but if the OP can't even do it on Normal, it's the best advice they can get for that particular bookshelf spawn.

[romy]

Originally posted by Martin Vol:

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

lol

I mean it is doable but if the OP can't even do it on Normal, it's the best advice they can get for that particular bookshelf spawn.

true, this is the most difficult spot.

Also it is way easier with two players, especially if you stole lots of paintings in day one, the second player can then use the cams on the roof to spot the items and guards for you.

[Mosey]

The only 'hard' part is getting the gold out from some of the 'worst' vault locations, but if you buy the right starting setup it's really quite easy presuming you have two people who are stealthy.

Also, it can be rough occasionally when you just can't find that last device. Not everyone has every location they spawn at memorized, and some of the places they spawn just plain suck.

And if you fail stealth on this map, at least it can still be completed unlike any of the 'stealth only' maps.

And at a certain point in the map, multiple ECM jammers can be the difference between success of failure. Just four ECM will give you close to two full minutes to do whatever, with no threat of 'going loud'.

[guwno]

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[LEFTY]

Originally posted by LEFTY:

Originally posted by Igyzone:

Day 1, day 2 is easy, but 3....

Played it more than 30 times now. Even high infamy players I've played with, abandoned it after failing several times.

Soloing normal is also crazy hard. There is always issue wether finding those parts, looking for vault or planting coke because guards are just unpredictable.

Tried even with trip mines but it's not enough.

Only reason I'm doing is its because of the heritage mission with the old wine. Takes forever just to open those bookcases and close them again without guards noticing.

It depends ... I've completed This heist ~~170 times on DW before DS was added (~160 of those in SOLO) , and like 10 times on DS . This is my favourite heist. The thing is im always killing 3 guards at start of day 3 , so it becomes way easier to navigate around. Its really not that hard once you play enough times and memorize every possible location of gadgets.

[BlackRibbon]

Sounds like the issue is your play style. You need to adapt to the scenario.

Also, get all the paintings so you can spot all the items. My guess is you get the bare minimum and can't find anything because of that.

[Gamer Maid]

I didn't do this heist since a while but if the stealth mecanics didn't change it's not that hard with mines. And if you kill 4 guards, an other will spawn and leave after something like 10 minutes. So you will just need to drink a tea and you will face only 2 guards. With spycams and mines you can almost perma spot them. You have some spots that the guards will never check. When you will know them, you will be able to move the coke and the gold without the need to open and close the door each time you are gearing a bag.

[Heroic Sheperd]

BE PATIENT. Day 3 is a legacy heist so when it was made it’s map design was not intended for the amount of guards you see on it today.

It’s a much more close quartered map with fewer “safe” areas than post 2013 maps. The guards all have the same patrol zones, which is open to the whole map (minus spawn). With slow moving methodical objective completion this heist is not terribly difficult to finish successfully.

Framing Frame day 3 is THE reason Silent Assassin is considered a cheat mod. Prior to January 2014, the meta strategy was to kill 4 guards, shoot the cameras, and dominate the 5th guard. In Crime.net it was extremely common to see Framing Frame lobbies, where day 1+2 were finished, and Day 3 was locked down with the host opening the game to public for free payouts. The subsequent Stealth update added guards to Framing Frame, added spawning guards, added pagers to dominations, removed simultaneous dominations, removed Jokers from stealth, and finally added Titan Cameras (in the Deathwish update a couple weeks after). No maps made after this update have less than 5 guards. This was a line in the sand drawn to show how the developers want stealth moving forward, no more lockdown stealth.