Iron man basic or Inspire basic/aced on Anarchist?

[DISCOCYCHO]

The build I'm using heavily invests on my own survivability and it making you a killing machine but the tradeoff is that I don't have enough points to be able to get both of these so I have to choose between being able to revive my own teammates faster and having more than 1 medic bag with 2 uses, OR be selfish and focus more on my survivability. What would you guys get/pick?

[Blood West]

assuming you are going to use suit, iron man basic is only worth it if you are going to get frenezy basic (or underdog aced maybe). You can boost your armor in other way with PiC but only when you have a joker

[Streaky]

You don’t even need Iron Man Basic. PiC Aced with a Joker is enough for 240.8 Armor Points, allowing you to tank a Sniper Shot. And because of that, I’m pretty sure you can get Inspire.

[DISCOCYCHO]

Originally posted by Metaphysical Retardation:

You don’t even need Iron Man Basic. PiC Aced with a Joker is enough for 240.8 Armor Points, allowing you to tank a Sniper Shot. And because of that, I’m pretty sure you can get Inspire.

Originally posted by Blood West:

assuming you are going to use suit, iron man basic is only worth it if you are going to get frenezy basic (or underdog aced maybe). You can boost your armor in other way with PiC but only when you have a joker

I have frenzy aced and the build focuses on Micro Uzi being it's main damage dealer while my primary is a Light Crossbow with explosive bolts used mainly to hurt myself to be able to maximize my berzerker damage. Due to the fact that the build is using Micro Uzi as it's main damage dealer, I would have to invest in Shock and Awe aced to deal with Shields which makes it so that me not taking Iron man basic that's only 4 points would be stupid.. So despite that, I would still be stuck with not being able to get Inspire basic because of Micro Uzi.. crap.

[Streaky]

Originally posted by cycy:

Originally posted by Metaphysical Retardation:

You don’t even need Iron Man Basic. PiC Aced with a Joker is enough for 240.8 Armor Points, allowing you to tank a Sniper Shot. And because of that, I’m pretty sure you can get Inspire.

Originally posted by Blood West:

assuming you are going to use suit, iron man basic is only worth it if you are going to get frenezy basic (or underdog aced maybe). You can boost your armor in other way with PiC but only when you have a joker

I have frenzy aced and the build focuses on Micro Uzi being it's main damage dealer while my primary is a Light Crossbow with explosive bolts used mainly to hurt myself to be able to maximize my berzerker damage. Due to the fact that the build is using Micro Uzi as it's main damage dealer, I would have to invest in Shock and Awe aced to deal with Shields which makes it so that me not taking Iron man basic that's only 4 points would be stupid.. So despite that, I would still be stuck with not being able to get Inspire basic because of Micro Uzi.. crap.

Just use the light crossbow to kill shields lol.

[DISCOCYCHO]

Originally posted by Metaphysical Retardation:

Originally posted by cycy:

I have frenzy aced and the build focuses on Micro Uzi being it's main damage dealer while my primary is a Light Crossbow with explosive bolts used mainly to hurt myself to be able to maximize my berzerker damage. Due to the fact that the build is using Micro Uzi as it's main damage dealer, I would have to invest in Shock and Awe aced to deal with Shields which makes it so that me not taking Iron man basic that's only 4 points would be stupid.. So despite that, I would still be stuck with not being able to get Inspire basic because of Micro Uzi.. crap.

Just use the light crossbow to kill shields lol.

i was thinking of that yeah, but it could lead to some pretty poopy downs since the time of switching to the crossbow and then not being able to kill all shields. While you could argue that to just take cover, I got the FSS mod where I could literally be swarmed just by mere seconds.. I guess the tradeoff for contributing more to the team by having more deployables and inspire basic/aced will mean that I have less survivability. Pretty cool. By the way, the build I'm talking about is what Carrot (payday 2 youtuber) used for his dragon heist no downs duo with geldgeil incase you were thinking what build I'm talking about/is using

[The Least Interesting Chibi...]

Well... Do you find your teammates going down more than you? Because the simplification of this choice is basically,

a. I go down more than my teammates. I should get more survivability, by getting Iron Man - Basic.
b. My teammates go down more than me, and I'm reviving them a lot. I should get Inspire - Basic to help with that.

alternative c. My team and I are a well oiled machine who don't go down that much. I should get Inspire - Basic and spam the shout for the speed increase.

[DISCOCYCHO]

Originally posted by The Least Interesting Chibi...:

Well... Do you find your teammates going down more than you? Because the simplification of this choice is basically,

a. I go down more than my teammates. I should get more survivability, by getting Iron Man - Basic.
b. My teammates go down more than me, and I'm reviving them a lot. I should get Inspire - Basic to help with that.

alternative c. My team and I are a well oiled machine who don't go down that much. I should get Inspire - Basic and spam the shout for the speed increase.

A is not an option for anarchists because well, they're anarchists. (except if sniped)
B is what I'm gonna adjust the build for I guess
C is.... something. I host pubs and during my 500 hours of playing this game I have never met a person/team that ACTUALLY knows that if you got inspire basic you can shout at fellow teammates to give them a speed increase.

Last thing, is PiC aced better than Iron Man basic on anarchist like, overall? It seems so since you get a cop that's both a distraction (bulletsponge) and a killing machine til it goes down. I don't think the argument of "for PiC to activate you have to convert a cop" works since getting one is very easy. Meanwhile with Iron Man basic, you only get 30% more armor.

[Cipher]

PiC's a speed boost in addition to health, which converts to armor if you're running anarchist. Also the usual perks with having jokers around, like another target to tank hits for you and respectable damage if you converted a Bronco/Reinfeld or DS tan. It's also a lower skill point investment, with the bare minimum investment at 12 points.

[Streaky]

Originally posted by Cipher:

PiC's a speed boost in addition to health, which converts to armor if you're running anarchist. Also the usual perks with having jokers around, like another target to tank hits for you and respectable damage if you converted a Bronco/Reinfeld or DS tan. It's also a lower skill point investment, with the bare minimum investment at 12 points.

You get 240.8 Points of Armor from PiC Aced compared to the REALLY costly 40 point investment of Iron Man Basic + Frenzy which does the same thing as PiC Aced.

[BlackRibbon]

Get both. I use both.

[BlackRibbon]

Originally posted by Cipher:

PiC's a speed boost in addition to health, which converts to armor if you're running anarchist. Also the usual perks with having jokers around, like another target to tank hits for you and respectable damage if you converted a Bronco/Reinfeld or DS tan. It's also a lower skill point investment, with the bare minimum investment at 12 points.

Remember, bots and converted enemies have much lower priority so never stand near them.

[DISCOCYCHO]

Originally posted by BlackRibbon:

Get both. I use both.

Would like to get both, but I don't think it's possible without sacrificing alot of skills that make the build. I could possibly remove Body Expertise aced but the build is using Micro Uzi, which can be something to handle.

[BlackRibbon]

Originally posted by cycy:

Originally posted by BlackRibbon:

Get both. I use both.

Would like to get both, but I don't think it's possible without sacrificing alot of skills that make the build. I could possibly remove Body Expertise aced but the build is using Micro Uzi, which can be something to handle.

Aim for the head.