Track Suit Outfit when?

[Da Atte]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2382905054

I haven't really been keeping up with the updates of PD2 as I returned to the game after quite a long break last December. I played today and noticed this one player using a Track Suit Outfit that I hadn't seen before. Turns out the player was using a mod to... unlock it. I censored their name so that people wouldn't harass them.

Anyone know if/when the outfit will be released publicly? I really like it and would love to have it.

[DLCless Dan]

Crimefest 2022

[D.e.v.i.OS]

can it come in yellow with 2 vertical black stripes?

[BlackRibbon]

Originally posted by DLCless Dan:

**Crimefest 2015

FTFY

[FlemiFøx]

My guess is that they will be added in the Infamy 66-100 reward pool.

[Da Atte]

Originally posted by Ons moeke:

My guess is that they will be added in the Infamy 66-100 reward pool.

Was kinda thinking about that myself. It would seem like a great reward to be added to Infamy rewards.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Da Atte:

Originally posted by Ons moeke:

My guess is that they will be added in the Infamy 66-100 reward pool.

Was kinda thinking about that myself. It would seem like a great reward to be added to Infamy rewards.

I mean the only way you're SEEING that outfit is literally because the person wearing it is cheating.

[Sunday Driver]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Da Atte:

Was kinda thinking about that myself. It would seem like a great reward to be added to Infamy rewards.

I mean the only way you're SEEING that outfit is literally because the person wearing it is cheating.

Can it be called cheating if the item isn't even in the game or available at all through any in game means? For a year or something it's basically "lost content" or something.

I suspect it was planned for a cross promotion and then was dropped. There's no reason for them to completely finish a full outfit set and put it into the game and then just forget about it for so long. Maybe a Saint's Row cross over? A while ago SR had the remasters come out. Maybe there were other plans.

[Da Atte]

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

I mean the only way you're SEEING that outfit is literally because the person wearing it is cheating.

Can it be called cheating if the item isn't even in the game or available at all through any in game means?

Yes, it still is cheating as it is content not meant to be used by the player. If it would be a single player game I would classify it as a cheat aswell but I don't think it would be such a big deal in single player experiences. In multi player, however, it is a little different story.

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

There's no reason for them to completely finish a full outfit set and put it into the game and then just forget about it for so long.

Sometimes things just get left out (of games). It's the law of design. Sometimes there just is no apparent reason why things get left out. Maybe the outfit is finished and they just decided to put it into the game and test it out. Maybe they already have a use for it but haven't released it publicly yet.

But as discussed earlier the outfit might be a reward in the later Infamy levels as we only have rewards up to level 65 of Infamy. Beyond that, nothing, unless you count the Achievements as rewards themselves.

[Sunday Driver]

So if people found a skin variety for a guard or monster in Half Life that wasn't used and added it for variety you'd go "OMG CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT!"? Is the game ruined? How has it been changed? That just sounds nuts to me and completely unjustifiable. Just saying it IS something doesn't MAKE it something. You mention things being left out as "law of design"...if you say so, but how is that a cheat? Maybe this and maybe that. Okay, but I can speculate too and that doesn't make it something or not other than in our own heads.

That is NOT cheating though. It's like complaining because someone plays chess with fancy chess pieces or a nice board that isn't the usual black and white squares. If it doesn't change GAMEPLAY at all then it is not cheating. The chess game is still the same as before. Same rules and restrictions.

It is not a reward for anything. It does not change the game mechanics or play in any way whatsoever. It's no different from modding in a skin for your heisters, which is also not cheating.

If it becomes a reward later then you can argue the case is cheating that specific reward. Until then, no. It's just crazy to start calling all skins and cosmetics in all games cheats as you would have to do so to to categorize this as a "cheat".

High def texture pack? OMG CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT.

[Da Atte]

The discussion has diverted from the original topic but oh well.

But I think you missed my point, or it seems you just read the part where I said "Yes".

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

So if people found a skin variety for a guard or monster in Half Life that wasn't used and added it for variety you'd go "OMG CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT!"?

Quoting my own post here:

Originally posted by Da Atte:

If it would be a single player game I would classify it as a cheat aswell but I don't think it would be such a big deal in single player experiences.

The acts of gaining information or unlocking hidden, single and multi player game. content can be through cheating (external softwares, editing files, etc.) but there is a huge line between cheating in single player games and multi player games, be it co-op or PvP.

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

That is NOT cheating though. [...] If it doesn't change GAMEPLAY at all then it is not cheating. [...] Same rules and restrictions.

It is not a reward for anything. [...] It's no different from modding in a skin for your heisters, which is also not cheating.

If it becomes a reward later then you can argue the case is cheating that specific reward. Until then, no. It's just crazy to start calling all skins and cosmetics in all games cheats as you would have to do so to to categorize this as a "cheat".

It's content locked off from other players unless they install a mod that is classified as cheating as it skips the process of purchasing DLCs. You may have guessed what the mod is. And skin and cosmetic changes that are local are mods, not cheats and thus will not divide player base.

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

High def texture pack? OMG CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT.

That's a mod. again. It doesn't affect the gameplay (most of the time), it doesn't change the experience for anyone else other than the player who has the mod installed.

Bottom line being, if an item can not be obtained through legit methods, unlocking it is cheating. If an item is global but can not be obtained yet, unlocking it through any method is cheating.

[BlackRibbon]

Originally posted by Da Atte:

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I feel like you missed the sarcasm there.

[FlemiFøx]

Overkill had plans to release the tracksuit, but this fell through; they are now working on something new to release it.

Stated here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/jqy3ti/developer_ama_with_almir_and_elisabeth/gbpw1bp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

The use of mods to unlock this outfit, that is not meant to be unlocked... yet, is still cheating, cosmetic or not.

[Da Atte]

Originally posted by Ons moeke:

Overkill had plans to release the tracksuit, but this fell through; they are now working on something new to release it.

Stated here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/jqy3ti/developer_ama_with_almir_and_elisabeth/gbpw1bp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

So no concrete release date is set for the item's release. Oh well, I can wait.

Originally posted by Black Ribbon:

Originally posted by Da Atte:

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I feel like you missed the sarcasm there.

I kind of hope it was an elaborate troll attempt. If it was, they got me hard. If it wasn't, well my points still stand.

[PlebNC (UK)]

One of the outfit packs has a tracksuit in it. It's not the same as what Op's talking about but it's better than nothing

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Hoxilicious:

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

I mean the only way you're SEEING that outfit is literally because the person wearing it is cheating.

Can it be called cheating if the item isn't even in the game or available at all through any in game means? For a year or something it's basically "lost content" or something.

Yes Hox its still cheating, you hold a huge stance against Silent Assassin for its cheating properties, this even if its cosmetic falls in the same bucket of cheating, cheating doesn't have to JUST be actual effects on gameplay to be classified as cheating, the examples you used are classified as mods something that only the active client can see, once scripting comes into play like what happens with Silent Assassin and the script used to unlock the track suit its no longer classified as a mod but classified as a cheat.