Why is Payday 2 so RNG based?

[kagenlimkz |trade.tf]

RNG for layouts, RNG for guard pathing, RNG for guard drawin, RNG for escaping, RNG for skills and RNG for perks.

For payday 3, can we please remove RNG?

[Readraid]

RNG for skills - *dont play dodge* boom no rng
RNG for perks - *dont play dodge* boom no rng

RNG for heists is good because it adds replayability, if you like repitition then diamond store spam and get infamy 500 and get clout :))) but for the rest of us sane people RNG is good for the game and is a MECHANIC in the game that is good.

Side note: RNGmod = cheat unless speedrunning or used sparingly in solo no ai's, alot of people been saying it isnt a cheat but it gives a massive advantage so yeh

[kagenlimkz |trade.tf]

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RNG for layouts, RNG for guard pathing, RNG for guard drawin, RNG for escaping, RNG for skills and RNG for perks.

For payday 3, can we please remove RNG?

You seem like the guy who hates challenges and want's an ez game. Games always have a challenge. Always will. It is a core factor. If you hate RNG that much I'd suggest you quit PAYDAY 2.

I mean, just think about it.

What kind of professional criminal wouldnt be able to case the joint before hand, or bring simple stuff like a crowbar?

[kagenlimkz |trade.tf]

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Theres a lot to do, like having a no kill run or remaining undetected the entire way through.

Play WD2, you will understand

Watch Dogs 2 has plenty of RNG. Dunno why you complain about it here and not there.

No, not really, the most rng would be the guard location but even then, you know where they are at all times.

Also, you can bait them to leave the map, making the way clear

[The Least Interesting Chibi...]

Sooooo.... my take on all of this.

The hot take: RNG isn't a core element of the Payday series.
The cool take: RNG is a standard tool for game development to increase diversity and length.

The thing with RNG is it a simplified way of adding in complexity without you know... adding complexity. Because system depth can and will break your system eventually. Additionally, RNG is cost effective. Sure they could remove RNG elements from heists but then the replayability would go down (they have stats on this... it's a pretty much known thing).

Could they remove RNG elements from PD2? Sure. There is a mod that does that. You could even have a mod to remove Dodge as a mechanic. If one was really extreme they could even remove the RNG from stability and accuracy and instead employ a bullet drop, bullet velocity, and bullet penetration system. Would that make the game better? Doubtful is my take.

Generally RNG is minimalized in competitive PvP games, where the competition is between the skills of the player rather than the luck of the draw. You can see this games like R6 Siege or most Squad Team Deathmatch shooters. Where the only randomization is in the recoil (but not the spray pattern) and accuracy of shots, even when the game does have more realistic bullet physics. But in cases of Battle Royal games, they added in RNG into the early game for finding your equipment.

In BRs the amount of players on the field is large enough that without this 'skilled' players would dominate the less skilled and the world would depopulate quickly... mostly ending the same group of players fighting each other in each session. Adding in the possibility of bad loot helps level out the field a bit, and therefore makes each match more interesting in the long run.

But PD2 isn't a competitive PvP shooter. And the only real competitive action is in speedrunning, where RNG modifiers might even be allowed for their times (it's been a while since I checked what mods were allowed). So the RNG elements in heists are just there for added variation, in addition to test your memory and adaptation to a changing environment.

There isn't even that much RNG in PD2 anyways... we have RNG in accuracy and recoil; map elements for heists (even though the objectives remain the same); dodge mechanics; extra loot on some maps; and some skills like critical hits, feign death and heavy impact. So most of the RNG is avoidable and situational. People would still curse RNG even if it wasn't a factor. How priority/aggro works has no RNG involved. Nor does when a cloaker decides to kick you. Even the RNG in when a flashbang is spawned is pretty much irrelevant.

So if OP just wants replay the same heist over and over again with the same map elements... just get a RNG mod and set to the elements you want.

Although even with the RNG elements, I find most heists play the same where the only true RNG is actions of public players. Meltdown? Doesn't matter where the nukes or loot spawns it always plays the same. Shadow Raid... same thing.

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You seem like the guy who hates challenges and want's an ez game. Games always have a challenge. Always will. It is a core factor. If you hate RNG that much I'd suggest you quit PAYDAY 2.

I mean, just think about it.

What kind of professional criminal wouldnt be able to case the joint before hand, or bring simple stuff like a crowbar?

preplanning, and if you notice in most scenarios criminals will be heisting a private area they wouldnt have access too, so casing wouldnt be so simple.

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Theres a lot to do, like having a no kill run or remaining undetected the entire way through.

Play WD2, you will understand

you literally do not listen, do you?
Maybe this time you will finally be able to read properly.
It is not about what YOU (the individual) want. Nobody will make a game FOR YOU. Therefor, games will be made for the general players. And you know what? Those do not want 100% the same over and over again.
And you havent answered. Why do you buy a game with a(n) (even pilloried) mechanic which you do not like / want.

Because this game is the only heisting game on the market. GTA is the closest, but It still sucks hard seeing how you need to do lots of setup missions.

If pd2 doesnt have a monopoly, more people would be moving to other alternatives

[Majk]

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Tbh RNG does not really affect all skilss and perks but still RNG is gonna be in payday 3 so you wont be bored instantly

tbh, whenever i get rng, I dont think about replability, I just curse the rng gods.

RNG is bad in most games, this game is no exception

how is RNG bad in this game may i ask ?

[Nighthawk]

Deleted the posts derailing the thread. I honestly don't know why this is getting so much traction though. Post #1 answered the question already. Variety is pretty good for a game to last.

[Terminator01]

RNG keep the game fresh and keep the replayability even at thousands of hours.

If everything works 100% the same, you will get bored very fast, because you know what comes next at what time. You will see this one day, too. Even if you say today you prefer it that way. You have like 85 right now. The answer here is obvious.

[Copy & Cat]

Man you must really hate rogue-likes

[Punyrock]

i'd say it's ok to talk about a thing you don't like with other people, but this seems inflammatory

[Kevy & Wevy]

Every game has some form of rng, especially when payday 2 has dodge decks, crits etc. If you hate rng/ want it removed, then you should probably download rng modifier( but then again the mod could be a cheat mod to some so eh). Rng makes game enjoyable and not repetitive, the rng can help improve you by throwing you in different scenarios. Even after the mess thread of you asking for ammo regen when it was you playing stupid, i thought you would be smarter then.

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Because this game is the only heisting game on the market. GTA is the closest, but It still sucks hard seeing how you need to do lots of setup missions.

If pd2 doesnt have a monopoly, more people would be moving to other alternatives

GTA 5 is the worst example, you could bring with, while the heist missions from there are ironically the best example why you´re wrong with your opinion.

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Because this game is the only heisting game on the market. GTA is the closest, but It still sucks hard seeing how you need to do lots of setup missions.

If pd2 doesnt have a monopoly, more people would be moving to other alternatives

GTA 5 is the worst example, you could bring with, while the heist missions from there are ironically the best example why you´re wrong with your opinion.

Also the recent heists are more or less drawing from PayDay 2 not the other way around if that was the argument they were trying for.

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Man you must really hate rogue-likes

That's actually a good question, would OP like rogue-like games like Enter The Gungeon.