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MrBowen Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:00pm
Get Rid of Cloakers
They are a dumb crutch. One hit KO is a bad system in nearly every game. If there was some counter-play it would be fine, but the current loop of *hear cloaker ringing->probably get KO'd if you weren't already shooting->hope your crew (AI) doesnt just walk up and get KO'd too* is bad and you should feel bad. A well armored player shouldn't ever suffer a 1-hit KO.
Originally posted by naii.neocities.org:
cloakers are incredibly poorly designed, almost RNG enemies that don't seem to work in any consistent way. All cops are like this, but it's the worst with cloakers (and snipers) since they can both instantly take you out with no recourse. Sometimes the advice of "just be quicker" doesn't work, cloakers can instantly kick you the second they lay eyes on you. Sometimes, they just plain refuse to do so. They are undoubtedly broken enemies, but that's an almost unsolvable issue at this point.

That being said, they rarely end games. rarely. I once had a game end because one cloaker kicked me and my three bots within ten seconds. But that's once in the hundreds of hours I've spent playing the game.

Here's hoping to more consistent AI in Payday 3
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Cursed Hawkins Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:10pm 
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OP clearly heard this line "now go to the forum and cry like the little ♥♥♥♥♥ you are" and took that to heart.
Lanxcapo Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:25pm 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-Grmgxobw
TL;DR game sense is basically the hardest counter to a cloaker, once that you know where a cloaker tends to spawn and hang around you will rarely get caught with your pants down, after that just aim for the head, pretty much any gun can kill a cloaker with headshots
BlackRibbon Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:39pm 
Originally posted by MrBowen:
If there was some counter-play it would be fine,
There is. It's called Counter Strike.
Gandalf360one Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:59pm 
Originally posted by BlackRibbon:
Originally posted by MrBowen:
If there was some counter-play it would be fine,
There is. It's called Counter Strike.
or a buzzer/electric brass nucle to taze them when they charge
SENTINO<3 Jul 7, 2021 @ 5:03pm 
Originally posted by Gandalf360one:
Originally posted by BlackRibbon:
There is. It's called Counter Strike.
or a buzzer/electric brass nucle to taze them when they charge
:csgox:
"Now go to the forums and cry like the little ♥♥♥♥♥ you are!" (Mods don't spank me the cloaker says it.)
Last edited by La Escopeta Infernal Conji; Jul 7, 2021 @ 5:29pm
But seriously cloaker is easy to counter.Sense, time and reaction.Not to mention you can make them miss their kicks
Kevy & Wevy Jul 7, 2021 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by MrBowen:
They are a dumb crutch. One hit KO is a bad system in nearly every game. If there was some counter-play it would be fine, but the current loop of *hear cloaker ringing->probably get KO'd if you weren't already shooting->hope your crew (AI) doesnt just walk up and get KO'd too* is bad and you should feel bad. A well armored player shouldn't ever suffer a 1-hit KO.
You can here them buzzing or whatever you call the sound when they’re nearby so it’s not even difficult to kill them, plus there’s counter strike to counter them, but then again it’s not even worth the points. In my experience, there has been so many instances where a cloaker is right infront of me and they don’t kick, but then again it might just be killing everyone, which I’m assuming you don’t.
Cursed Hawkins Jul 7, 2021 @ 5:43pm 
Originally posted by lanxcapo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-Grmgxobw
TL;DR game sense is basically the hardest counter to a cloaker, once that you know where a cloaker tends to spawn and hang around you will rarely get caught with your pants down, after that just aim for the head, pretty much any gun can kill a cloaker with headshots
Also you can HEAR their equipment since they are unaffected by the ECM Jammer, you can hear the piece of equipment allowing that from a mile away.
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Originally posted by lanxcapo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-Grmgxobw
TL;DR game sense is basically the hardest counter to a cloaker, once that you know where a cloaker tends to spawn and hang around you will rarely get caught with your pants down, after that just aim for the head, pretty much any gun can kill a cloaker with headshots
Also you can HEAR their equipment since they are unaffected by the ECM Jammer, you can hear the piece of equipment allowing that from a mile away.
And the fact if black is seen, target that enemy immediately and ♥♥♥♥ them in the head
Cursed Hawkins Jul 7, 2021 @ 5:53pm 
Originally posted by Lunaticious La Conjurate:
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Also you can HEAR their equipment since they are unaffected by the ECM Jammer, you can hear the piece of equipment allowing that from a mile away.
And the fact if black is seen, target that enemy immediately and ♥♥♥♥ them in the head
Well that's not exactly the best advice because there is the Black Dozer variant!
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Originally posted by Lunaticious La Conjurate:
And the fact if black is seen, target that enemy immediately and ♥♥♥♥ them in the head
Well that's not exactly the best advice because there is the Black Dozer variant!
black dozers are just plus size. cloakers are just scrawny
Lanxcapo Jul 7, 2021 @ 6:15pm 
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
Also you can HEAR their equipment since they are unaffected by the ECM Jammer, you can hear the piece of equipment allowing that from a mile away.
ik, that and the buzzer stun technique is all mentioned in the video, as i said that is the tl:dr with the general ideas
M0D Jul 7, 2021 @ 7:05pm 
OP definitely followed the Cloaker's advice
TheUnchosen Jul 7, 2021 @ 7:13pm 
This post was designed to incite conflict, wasn't it? Eh, I'll bite. The general design of the cloaker is to punish players who wander too far away from their team. If you stick with your team, even if you get kicked, your team will be right there to help you. Wander too far out, though, and if you get kicked, the chances of getting saved are far less. If you're somehow getting your ass handed to you by a cloaker, then maybe you should be a better team player. In fact, I think Payday 2's iteration of the cloaker is not punishing enough. Payday the Heist had cloakers that were completely silent and wandered in groups. This means that if you weren't paying attention, 3/4 of your team could go down in an instant. Payday 2's cloaker has a noisy whine to alert you that one is nearby, and a really loud sound when one is charging at you. This makes them a lot easier to spot and kill. I went on a bit of a tangent, but the point is if you're somehow having trouble with cloakers, get good.
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