What do you like about PayDay2 over Payday1

[x Theta x]

Per request: I cant leave a review for the game so i am posting here. I have laid out what i dont like about the game since i will be asked and this is easier than typing it repeatedly.

Again, this is not a bait thread, i am saying straight up i don't enjoy the game. But i really enjoyed the first one. Again, this is my opinion, i'm not insulting you or insinuating anything about you if you like the game (since i have to specify now).

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I have a hard time putting in words how bad this game is. I get it was 50 people, but that doesn't make it a good game. And with the DLC they added which became pretty much mandatory to have if you want to play online?

Enemy AI? Non-existent. You can walk up next to a group of enemies and just punch them to death while half of them don't even realize you are doing so. They are that dumb. You can crank up the difficulty so that the enemies that actually shoot at you can kill you in 2 shots. But that's just a band aid for poorly designed AI.

Graphics? Meh, same as the first.

Gunplay? Lol. I mean.. for a free game it feels about normal. Which is bad.

Gameplay online? If you want to play online and not get kicked every co-op match before it even starts for not having everything(or C4), you pretty much need to buy all the DLC.

Stealth? lol, usually not really an option. So basically, this game comes down to just having mass shoot outs. Cool right? No, because your gunplay is complete crap. Just like most free to play shooters!

Payday 1 just seems superior in every way.

TLDR: All in all the game is just bad, but lets you ramp up the Life and Damage ("Difficulty") of the enemies in order to simulate better AI. Just stick with the first game.

[Sunday Driver]

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Payday the heist is much less polished, poorer graphics, and less variety in its content.

It’s a fun game for a couple dozen hours, but there’s a very small selection of heists to choose, not much RNG to add to the replay value, and limited if not nonexistent stealth mechanics. Not to mention the playerbase is in the double digits on a good day so finding a game with someone is impossible.

Payday 2 while poorly optimized and poorly balanced, still provides good smooth gunplay, much better than PDTH. It’s map variety is huge, and is almost doubled in the fact you can play most maps twice, once loud once stealth. Add the significant RNG variants to heists and the replay value of even single heists is greatly extended. For loud only gameplay you have dozens of diverse builds to work with allowing a huge selection of guns, skills, and perks which offer completely alternative styles to play a heist. This game diversity even counting additional game modes like Crimespree and Holdout, or Mutators to further add to the game’s variety.

While it’s not perfect, Payday 2 is a hell of a lot more polished, has a huge playerbase still active so joining a lobby is never a problem, is still being updated, and new content is still being released. The modding community also is still very active and adds a whole huge layer of content to play with as well as quality of life fixes and smoother optimization where possible.

I played PD:TH to death and that's the problem. It peaked. There's good reasons the playerbase all moved on to PD2, even for those of us who still play PD:TH now and then. PD2 has lasted longer and got a bigger player base for all that time. They don't play it because people are forcing them.

There's a lot of features added to PD2 over PD:TH. There's things I like in PD:TH but there's no way I'd want to see PD2 lose everything it has gained in these many years. PD2 also has a much more rewarding grind vs reward feeling. With PD:TH it's pretty slow for very little and you'll be playing those same maps an awful lot. It's a good budget game but as a lower budget game it doesn't have the content and support to last as long.

[Sunday Driver]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Armisael:

I know that feeling. Unfortunately, you have hosts that will kick for stupid reasons like that. Other times, some hosts may be running certain mods that kick players automatically based on their loadout, hours, and much more. Take, for example, Noobs Go Back to Overkill, or NGBTO to put it in simple terms.

Exactly. unfortunately most of the people online seem to be like Hoxilicious over here. Butt hurt if you dont like the game and rage at you or kick you.

If i'd had better community interaction, maybe i could have gave the game more of a chance. But, meh. This is why i made this post, to see what other people like about it so much.

So are you ever going to apologize to Overkill for directly insulting them in the OP over something which you have to admit wasn't even true just to try to attack the game and them? What about other points brought up that undermine your claims? Just going to keep running away from that while you pretend you want to talk about the game?

Trying to hold up PD:TH over PD2 over STEALTH is just silly. PD2 stealth is not perfect but it is far better than PD:TH. More developed mechanics. Properly designed stealth heists. It's no competition for PD:TH in this.

There's a whole crews and clans subforum, discord and other places you can arrange matches. For someone who has played two hours at most they should be learning ropes and arranging a match with someone. Especially if they've played PD:TH much and know how this works.

Complaining about graphics in an OLD GAME and then saying you like the EVEN OLDER game just like it! Come on.

Horde games don't do great AI. Tactical games are more about that with small numbers. This is an action style movie inspired game though and the heroes (or villains) always mow down the dumb opponents by the bucketload when things go loud and that certainly happened in PD:TH as well.

[x Theta x]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Heroic Sheperd:

Payday the heist is much less polished, poorer graphics, and less variety in its content.

It’s a fun game for a couple dozen hours, but there’s a very small selection of heists to choose, not much RNG to add to the replay value, and limited if not nonexistent stealth mechanics. Not to mention the playerbase is in the double digits on a good day so finding a game with someone is impossible.

Payday 2 while poorly optimized and poorly balanced, still provides good smooth gunplay, much better than PDTH. It’s map variety is huge, and is almost doubled in the fact you can play most maps twice, once loud once stealth. Add the significant RNG variants to heists and the replay value of even single heists is greatly extended. For loud only gameplay you have dozens of diverse builds to work with allowing a huge selection of guns, skills, and perks which offer completely alternative styles to play a heist. This game diversity even counting additional game modes like Crimespree and Holdout, or Mutators to further add to the game’s variety.

While it’s not perfect, Payday 2 is a hell of a lot more polished, has a huge playerbase still active so joining a lobby is never a problem, is still being updated, and new content is still being released. The modding community also is still very active and adds a whole huge layer of content to play with as well as quality of life fixes and smoother optimization where possible.

Sorry, first i pinned the comment as the answer but then i couldnt reply, duh, lol.

Just wanted to say THANK YOU so much for your well written reply. I haven't played 1 in at least 5 years, and as i said in a reply to someone else on here, i could be totally wrong in my memory of the first one being smoother due to nostalgia glasses, and just time.

Perhaps my taste in games is just different now. But i will be going back to play the first one for comparison.

I remember loving the stealth in the first one, which is why i was disappointed when it seemed like you cant really do stealth in 2 until you get the right items for it. Again, just from my experience Not stating it as fact (Since apparently i need to clarify that repeatedly)

I didnt check out the mods at all so i definitely missed out on that.

Man, if i'd met people like you that just explained things instead of instantly getting offended and raging.. maybe i would have had more patients with the game.

[Driftkel]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Armisael:

I know that feeling. Unfortunately, you have hosts that will kick for stupid reasons like that. Other times, some hosts may be running certain mods that kick players automatically based on their loadout, hours, and much more. Take, for example, Noobs Go Back to Overkill, or NGBTO to put it in simple terms.

Exactly. unfortunately most of the people online seem to be like Hoxilicious over here. Butt hurt if you dont like the game and rage at you or kick you.

If i'd had better community interaction, maybe i could have gave the game more of a chance. But, meh. This is why i made this post, to see what other people like about it so much.

You could have tried to look for players to add as friends and play with them in the Crews and Clans subforum. That could have maybe reduced the stress and frustration if you were getting tired of getting kicked from public lobbies. But you no longer own the game because you refunded it.

So I took a glance at your other locked thread and you called the devs "dirty". Not wise to say that tbh.

[Sunday Driver]

Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Heroic Sheperd:

Payday the heist is much less polished, poorer graphics, and less variety in its content.

It’s a fun game for a couple dozen hours, but there’s a very small selection of heists to choose, not much RNG to add to the replay value, and limited if not nonexistent stealth mechanics. Not to mention the playerbase is in the double digits on a good day so finding a game with someone is impossible.

Payday 2 while poorly optimized and poorly balanced, still provides good smooth gunplay, much better than PDTH. It’s map variety is huge, and is almost doubled in the fact you can play most maps twice, once loud once stealth. Add the significant RNG variants to heists and the replay value of even single heists is greatly extended. For loud only gameplay you have dozens of diverse builds to work with allowing a huge selection of guns, skills, and perks which offer completely alternative styles to play a heist. This game diversity even counting additional game modes like Crimespree and Holdout, or Mutators to further add to the game’s variety.

While it’s not perfect, Payday 2 is a hell of a lot more polished, has a huge playerbase still active so joining a lobby is never a problem, is still being updated, and new content is still being released. The modding community also is still very active and adds a whole huge layer of content to play with as well as quality of life fixes and smoother optimization where possible.

Sorry, first i pinned the comment as the answer but then i couldnt reply, duh, lol.

Just wanted to say THANK YOU so much for your well written reply. I haven't played 1 in at least 5 years, and as i said in a reply to someone else on here, i could be totally wrong in my memory of the first one being smoother due to nostalgia glasses, and just time.

Perhaps my taste in games is just different now. But i will be going back to play the first one for comparison.

I remember loving the stealth in the first one, which is why i was disappointed when it seemed like you cant really do stealth in 2 until you get the right items for it. Again, just from my experience Not stating it as fact (Since apparently i need to clarify that repeatedly)

I didnt check out the mods at all so i definitely missed out on that.

Man, if i'd met people like you that just explained things instead of instantly getting offended and raging.. maybe i would have had more patients with the game.

Maybe if you didn't instantly rage and insult the developers like you did people wouldn't have kicked you from their games? :)

The stealth in the original was provably far simpler and basic. This can be seen from the classic heists that are in PD2 and so it's easy to compare. Original only had two actual stealth heists. PD2 has many. Your claim about the mechanics or "needing" stuff is just odd and not true as PD2 has all the mechanics and more in stealth of PD:TH and if you're playing without all the extra skills and unlocks on an appropriate difficulty then it's going to not be much different to PD:TH which didn't have them anyway.

What stealth heists did you complete? Give us a list and a breakdown.

[x Theta x]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

Exactly. unfortunately most of the people online seem to be like Hoxilicious over here. Butt hurt if you dont like the game and rage at you or kick you.

If i'd had better community interaction, maybe i could have gave the game more of a chance. But, meh. This is why i made this post, to see what other people like about it so much.

You could have tried to look for players to add as friends and play with them in the Crews and Clans subforum. But you no longer own the game because refunded it.

So I took a glance at your other locked thread and you called the devs "dirty". Not wise to say that tbh.

I mean, i dont really care if people see it as "wise." I was wrong, but its what i thought, so i said it. And yeah, the frustration wasnt worth it to me. Rather have that $1 for many other things than sludge through the community more than i already had.

I did play a couple with just a friend to try and get into it. Just didnt do it for me.

[x Theta x]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Hoxilicious:

Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

Sorry, first i pinned the comment as the answer but then i couldnt reply, duh, lol.

Just wanted to say THANK YOU so much for your well written reply. I haven't played 1 in at least 5 years, and as i said in a reply to someone else on here, i could be totally wrong in my memory of the first one being smoother due to nostalgia glasses, and just time.

Perhaps my taste in games is just different now. But i will be going back to play the first one for comparison.

I remember loving the stealth in the first one, which is why i was disappointed when it seemed like you cant really do stealth in 2 until you get the right items for it. Again, just from my experience Not stating it as fact (Since apparently i need to clarify that repeatedly)

I didnt check out the mods at all so i definitely missed out on that.

Man, if i'd met people like you that just explained things instead of instantly getting offended and raging.. maybe i would have had more patients with the game.

Maybe if you didn't instantly rage and insult the developers like you did people wouldn't have kicked you from their games? :)

The stealth in the original was provably far simpler and basic. This can be seen from the classic heists that are in PD2 and so it's easy to compare. Original only had one actual stealth heist. A single one. PD2 has many. Your claim about the mechanics or "needing" stuff is just odd and not true as PD2 has all the mechanics and more in stealth of PD:TH and if you're playing without all the extra skills and unlocks on an appropriate difficulty then it's going to not be much different to PD:TH which didn't have them anyway.

What stealth heists did you complete? Give us a list and a breakdown.

"Maybe if you didn't instantly rage and insult the developers like you did people wouldn't have kicked you from their games" Well.. that's impossible since i made the post after i'd been kicked.. and haven't played the game since.

You dont want to help or explain. You just want to drag my opinion threw the dirt, So i really dont care to reply to you anymore. Have a good day.

[Sunday Driver]

And people still play without DLC online. You've simply not played long enough. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you still claim that DLC is "pretty much mandatory" when it simply isn't There's threads on non-DLC builds for all sorts of play and Steam guides. Forum goers have offered many times to help out new players and those with only the base game.

"Gunplay is bad" is the level of commentary you've given so far and is a fair opinion to hold if you feel that way but you don't give any info or examples or fixes which makes it pointless and just an excuse to repost your locked very basic review. If you can't give any real analysis or ideas for it then what can be done or what's the point in posting it on a forum? What specific changes would you make to the weapons or the gunplay or mechanics and stats for them? That's what makes a thread good and invites discussion. Not just slandering the devs and making false claims about the game.

Hosting your own games would solve all your kicking claims too instantly and should be obvious as you said you've played PD:TH. It'd let you arrange terms of the heist and learn the ropes with others or solo. Also easy way to learn stealth. Yet somehow that is "no option" for no reason explained once again.

[x Theta x]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

Exactly. unfortunately most of the people online seem to be like Hoxilicious over here. Butt hurt if you dont like the game and rage at you or kick you.

If i'd had better community interaction, maybe i could have gave the game more of a chance. But, meh. This is why i made this post, to see what other people like about it so much.

So are you ever going to apologize to Overkill for directly insulting them in the OP over something which you have to admit wasn't even true just to try to attack the game and them? What about other points brought up that undermine your claims? Just going to keep running away from that while you pretend you want to talk about the game?

Trying to hold up PD:TH over PD2 over STEALTH is just silly. PD2 stealth is not perfect but it is far better than PD:TH. More developed mechanics. Properly designed stealth heists. It's no competition for PD:TH in this.

There's a whole crews and clans subforum, discord and other places you can arrange matches. For someone who has played two hours at most they should be learning ropes and arranging a match with someone. Especially if they've played PD:TH much and know how this works.

Complaining about graphics in an OLD GAME and then saying you like the EVEN OLDER game just like it! Come on.

Horde games don't do great AI. Tactical games are more about that with small numbers. This is an action style movie inspired game though and the heroes (or villains) always mow down the dumb opponents by the bucketload when things go loud and that certainly happened in PD:TH as well.

One last reply to you, just cuz you had posted this before and i missed it. Does Overkill want me to apologize? Pretty sure i already said i was wrong> AND corrected it in the post. But you need me to say the words to make you feel better even though what i already said holds the same purpose? lol? Ok.

I am sorry. I was wrong. And I am also sorry i cant edit a locked thread where it says the same thing.

[Sunday Driver]

Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

You dont want to help or explain. You just want to drag my opinion threw the dirt, So i really dont care to reply to you anymore. Have a good day.

I've made many factual and reasonable counterpoints on your claims on the game so far so that is another falsehood you are claiming, I'm afraid. You don't seem to want reasonable discussion when someone proves your claims against the game or developers wrong or invites discussion or expansion of your points which I keep offering despite your repeated attempts to jab at me (and the devs).

[Heroic Sheperd]

Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

~snip~

I will say, an unfortunate consequence of over 7 years worth of content, updates, balance reworks, and mechanic additions has caused Payday 2 to be a bit of a learning curve when just starting out.

Seemingly obvious goals as stealthing a heist may require a bit of trial and error, asking around on the forums, and playing in the character menu for some time reading up on skills, weapons, stats, and other loadout mechanics.

It’s not the most friendly of games when it comes to starting out, and the game’s tutorial is pretty terrible (another consequence of a later added feature years after the game’s release).

Personally I recommend giving the game a little more than a couple hours to learn before making a review, however I will accept this game certainly isn’t liked by everyone because it absolutely has performance, optimization, and bug issues. Most of us veterans have learned to accept that as a part of our quirky little game, but they are blemishes on the quality.

[Sunday Driver]

I am tempted to even buy the damn PD2 key for OP (no need to refund then!) if they promise to play the game properly instead of this nonsense with making knee-jerk judgements over a game that takes many many hours to learn the ropes just to see if OP changes their mind when they don't have the Steam refund time limit to pressure them. No need to promise any positive opinion but all I ask is a proper IN DEPTH one. An actual review and not just "lol its poop and you're all lame". TBH if you liked PD:TH you'll come out the winner anyway as you can get hundreds of hours out of the base game.

To be fair to OP the Steam time limit is way too short for many games and that can lead people to making rash judgements of games. Can you imagine trying to learn all about PD2 in UNDER two hours? Or some grand strategy game where the tutorials would take longer than that? It's not a good time span. PD2 takes time to appreciate.

[x Theta x]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Hoxilicious:

And people still play without DLC online. You've simply not played long enough. If you don't like it, that's fine, but you still claim that DLC is "pretty much mandatory" when it simply isn't There's threads on non-DLC builds for all sorts of play and Steam guides. Forum goers have offered many times to help out new players and those with only the base game.

"Gunplay is bad" is the level of commentary you've given so far and is a fair opinion to hold if you feel that way but you don't give any info or examples or fixes which makes it pointless and just an excuse to repost your locked very basic review. If you can't give any real analysis or ideas for it then what can be done or what's the point in posting it on a forum? What specific changes would you make to the weapons or the gunplay or mechanics and stats for them? That's what makes a thread good and invites discussion. Not just slandering the devs and making false claims about the game.

Hosting your own games would solve all your kicking claims too instantly and should be obvious as you said you've played PD:TH. It'd let you arrange terms of the heist and learn the ropes with others or solo. Also easy way to learn stealth. Yet somehow that is "no option" for no reason explained once again.

I am so conflicted, you rage nearly the whole time then you come out with THIS reply. LMAO. To reply or not to reply, welp, gonna go back on my word here and reply because this is actually a reply and not just butthurt.

See, THIS, is exactly the kind of reply i was looking for, minus the first paragraph for the most part.

DLC being mandatory i elaborate on more in that same post saying its mostly due to the community, leaving the Devs out of it completely mind you. And agin, this is from my experience with the community in game behaving pretty much the way you did for most of this post.

Gunplay, You're right, i didnt give examples of how to improve it. I'm no expert. And i cant tell you what needs to be adjusted stat wise. But it doesnt feel good. Feels low budget, which it is. And i even said its normal for a low budget game, so i'm not sure why you have a problem with that. Now an example, albeit a bad one, would be Warzone. A free game with far superior gun handling/ gunplay. Again, a BAD example as Warzone is made by a AAA title company. But im just trying to explain the difference in the gunplay as i experienced it. Again, i'm no expert. Never claimed to be. Never claimed to know a lot about the game. Just wanted to know what people liked about it over 1 since i remember loving 1 but just could not get into this one at all.

Like i said to someone else the replied, perhaps my taste in games just changed since then. Or maybe i just preferred the simpler play style, not really sure. And this could have been a lovely conversation. Was i wrong about the Devs, totes. And i've corrected that, as stated like.... 5 times now? But you came in like a bad outa hell trying to put me down for wanting to keep $1, lol, you just behaved like the majority of people in this game and prove my point about the community.

[x Theta x]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Hoxilicious:

I am tempted to even buy the damn PD2 key for OP (no need to refund then!) if they promise to play the game properly instead of this nonsense with making knee-jerk judgements over a game that takes many many hours to learn the ropes just to see if OP changes their mind when they don't have the Steam refund time limit to pressure them. No need to promise any positive opinion but all I ask is a proper IN DEPTH one. An actual review and not just "lol its poop and you're all lame". TBH if you liked PD:TH you'll come out the winner anyway as you can get hundreds of hours out of the base game.

To be fair to OP the Steam time limit is way too short for many games and that can lead people to making rash judgements of games. Can you imagine trying to learn all about PD2 in UNDER two hours? Or some grand strategy game where the tutorials would take longer than that? It's not a good time span. PD2 takes time to appreciate.

" "lol its poop and you're all lame". "
I literally said " this is my opinion, i'm not insulting you or insinuating anything about you if you like the game" in the opening post.
So again, not what i did or said.

You wanna teach me without being a ♥♥♥♥ about it? Cuz i'm down to learn. But for now i'll enjoy my tacos.

[x Theta x]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Heroic Sheperd:

Początkowo opublikowane przez x Theta x:

~snip~

I will say, an unfortunate consequence of over 7 years worth of content, updates, balance reworks, and mechanic additions has caused Payday 2 to be a bit of a learning curve when just starting out.

Seemingly obvious goals as stealthing a heist may require a bit of trial and error, asking around on the forums, and playing in the character menu for some time reading up on skills, weapons, stats, and other loadout mechanics.

It’s not the most friendly of games when it comes to starting out, and the game’s tutorial is pretty terrible (another consequence of a later added feature years after the game’s release).

Personally I recommend giving the game a little more than a couple hours to learn before making a review, however I will accept this game certainly isn’t liked by everyone because it absolutely has performance, optimization, and bug issues. Most of us veterans have learned to accept that as a part of our quirky little game, but they are blemishes on the quality.

Yeah, the first one seemed much more intuitive> Simpler, as it seems, but more intuitive. I never had to pull up a forum to learn to play the first one so i wasnt expecting it with this one. Obviously, this game is a different beast. Just not a beast i could get into. Maybe i just enjoyed the simplicity of the first one, idk.