"A long night of horrors" - The worst of two achievement elements

[Arikado_Xodan]

Usually the extremely hard achievements in PAYDAY 2 fall into one of two main catagories.

Time consumption - takes around 1 hour long to complete, usually on OVEKRILL difficulty: Kiss the Chef, Doctor Miserable, Farmer Miserable, etc.

0-tolerance to flaws - Can make little to no mistakes: Reputation Beyond Reproach, The Ground is Too Cold, Juggernauts, etc.

"A Long Night of Horrors" attempts to mix the too, and -- in my opinion -- poorly does so. Create an achievement that requires you to spend an hour collecting 15 keycards (Time consumption) AND play on Mayhem WITHOUT any crew member going into custody (0-tolerance to flaws).

I'm fine with 0-tolerance flaws and time consumption achievements, but NOT when put together. I'm sure its possible to do it... But its gonna be frustrating to go through. Especially if your team decides to focus on dice rolls with run dodge, or the team has few medic bags.

[Mr.Evolution]

your forgot the third catagorie: RNG

[Bindal]

One hour? I was done in 40 to 45 minutes.
And mistakes are allowed, as you are allowed to go down. You're not allowed to go into custody.

[Crasht]

2 of us did this last night with 2 AI and some doms, 1 of the AI went into custody at key card 9

[Krieg]

I have to agree, Euro Bag Simulator was just about grinding, this is pure terror. And yes it takes over an hour, there's no way in hell you'll do it in 40-45 minutes.

[yattadaro]

Ignore the halloween heists then. They're secondary and secondarily ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It is the second level of sadism in this game.

[sk00fy]

Just make sure everyone is geared for x2 Med Bags and have one person bring x2 ammo. Make shre everyone has 9 Lives aced for the extra down and only use the med bags on your last down. Also best to make sure everyone has Inspire aced. It's pretty straight forward. Just gotta execute and play with people that know how to play.

My biggest worry was the game crashing at the end or something.

[Sh1ki]

Originally posted by Arikado_Xodan:

Reputation Beyond Reproach

Custody, not downs. Example is invalid

[Cteklite]

The heist is also total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Poor optimization, level design, and the achievement has to be Mayhem of all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things.

[LunarGatta]

Originally posted by Cteklite:

The heist is also total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Poor optimization, level design, and the achievement has to be Mayhem of all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things.

You're acting as if mayhem is any different than overkill.

[yattadaro]

Originally posted by LazyVegetable:

Originally posted by Cteklite:

The heist is also total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Poor optimization, level design, and the achievement has to be Mayhem of all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things.

You're acting as if mayhem is any different than overkill.

It is. There is a huge difference.

[TBLackey]

Become Better

[Toyfan1]

I did this today
Host didnt know how to throw grenades and got downed while everyone was using ziplines

1 hour wasted :,)
We had 15 cards at 0.53.00, only with 1 drill restart.
we did an extra 2 cards just to make sure, so about 1.03.00 wasted.


+1
I get that insanely good players need a challenge once in a while, Like the achievements Xodan suggested, as those are fun to do, abit grindy but still fun.
This one? Nooott so much. I get its supposed to be hard but its supposed to be fun too.
Grinds arent fun.

Theres a reason why nobody liked "Kill x with Y while wearing z" achievements

[Toyfan1]

Originally posted by LazyVegetable:

Originally posted by Cteklite:

The heist is also total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Poor optimization, level design, and the achievement has to be Mayhem of all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things.

You're acting as if mayhem is any different than overkill.

Last time I checked Overkill didnt have gensec spawns.

[LunarGatta]

Originally posted by GoToTheSettings:

Originally posted by LazyVegetable:

You're acting as if mayhem is any different than overkill.

It is. There is a huge difference.

Originally posted by Toyfan1: The Keyboard Warrior:

Originally posted by LazyVegetable:

You're acting as if mayhem is any different than overkill.

Last time I checked Overkill didnt have gensec spawns.

Last time I checked they're both easy enough to the point the only reason you'll have any difficulty is because your skill level may not be as high as you think it is.

[Heroic Sheperd]

You can make plenty of mistakes, it's custody not don't go down.

Even without 9 lives ace that's 3 downs to be secure with. And with even only 1 player bringing X2 upgraded Doctor bags that's 24 downs without going into custody.

If everyone has 9 lives ace (a 4 point skill investment), and 3 players bring X2 Doctor bags, you can have 96 (not including the doctor bag asset) downs before a player goes into custody if they hit that Doctor bag every 4th down. And 72 downs if you do it after every 3rd down for a safety down in between B&W.

Over the achievement duration, that's 6 downs split between teammates EVERY keycard, and still having Doctor bag hits to spare.

Adding inspire to keep your teammates up so they don't go into custody from timeout, and Swan Song to keep them alive for even 8 seconds and wreck havoc against the enemies for that duration and this becomes a pretty easy achievement, it's just tedious.