Is glitching same thing as a cheating?

[DrSTAHP]

I mean not using 3rd party programs to get advantage, but something like coming through walls by spamming CTRL+SPACE on a chair. Is this a cheating or it's legal?

[Heroic Sheperd]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Black Ribbon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heroic Sheperd:

Why exactly do you think it's "unfair"?

I personally think if it's on equal ability with other players, which it is, it's fair. I'd call it unintended but certainly not unfair.

That kind of mindset is not shared by many other people. For Overwatch, glitches that allowed you into walls was recieved with bans to players that exploited it.

Then that's on the developers and I personally believe that's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ban.

If the Overwatch devs can't fix their broken ass game and patch the bugs/glitches it shouldn't be on the fault of the players for using them.

Halo 2 years ago Bungee did not swing the banhammer when players flag bounced, dummied, super bounced, or quick scoped. They manned up and patched their game so those exploits weren't possible anymore.

The reason I don't believe bugs and glitches, even if exploited to advantage, are cheats. Is because they are accessible to EVERY player that purchased the game. And thus the developers can fix their own bugs if they don't want players to exploit them.

3rd party software however is not accessible to everyone, and the developers cannot just "patch them out". If Overwatch developers are truly banning people because they have a broken game, then they should be ashamed of themselves for being unable to fix their own problems.

[SpritePony]

Glitching is not considered cheating unless it is in a competitive environment. (See the CS:GO scandal in which a pro team abused a glitch on a map to win some rounds.) It's just utilizing a bug in the game that the devs either looked over, or never actually realized existed/was possible given various circumstances.
Speedrunners use them all the time. Many of us have used the old Arkansas Toothpick bug when it was still around. (Holy cow, 320 concealment! What a blade!) People use drill bugs, Out of Bounds bugs, and 90% of dodge players used the grace period bug when it was still around.

Will people look down on you for using them? Maybe, unless they understand tactical advantage. ...Well, unless it is completely game breaking. But if you're hosting, they can't do diddly squat except leave.

Pick and choose your battles.

[Stret]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Smug Kappa:

Up to you. Some dont like the duping keycard glitch because its cheating, some dont really care coz its just a keycard. So up to you/hosts to decide if thats cheating.

As for me, im just here in payday 2 to shoot things, so small things like that dont bother me.

i also say its not a cheat because ts just a key card too, not an achievment or 400000000000 of money.

And also because it also happens by accident too, specially on laggy servers.

...i remember once i we accidentaly duped a key card on fire starter day 3 pro job ( ps3 version ) but didnt actually changed anything as me and the other guy i was playing it also accidentally used the card on the door at the same time...

[DrSTAHP]

For me, glitching isn't cheating, becouse it's exploit in game, but it's still unfair. In my opinion, glitching is griefing.

[Roloca]

So if you know a glitch and knowingly/willingly exploit it, that isn't considered cheating? Once you know how to abuse the game for your own advantage and you knowingly exploit it, I think you are cheating. Overwatch devs did it right. Those glitches weren't easy to trigger, and while it could happen that you triggered them by accident, Blizzard only banned people who repeatedly abused those glitches.

So in my opinion if you know how to abuse the game and you willingly do it, you are cheating. But this is PAYDAY 2 we are talking about, so you won't get banned for sure.

[Heroic Sheperd]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Roloca:

So if you know a glitch and knowingly/willingly exploit it, that isn't considered cheating? Once you know how to abuse the game for your own advantage and you knowingly exploit it, I think you are cheating. Overwatch devs did it right. Those glitches weren't easy to trigger, and while it could happen that you triggered them by accident, Blizzard only banned people who repeatedly abused those glitches.

So in my opinion if you know how to abuse the game and you willingly do it, you are cheating. But this is PAYDAY 2 we are talking about, so you won't get banned for sure.

In my opinion I believe that is now the fault of the developers for not fixing it.

If there is public knowledge that such a glitch can be exploited, especially in a competitive setting, why on earth wouldn't the developers fix it and patch it out? They do that ♥♥♥♥ all the time with game balancing nerfs for overpowered skills and characters. Why would they ban a player for using something in game, which every other player has an equal opportunity to use?

Let's use Payday as an example, and hypothetically Overkill actually banned players for cheats and exploits (like Blizzard does). Would it be fair to ban players for ECM rush farming? A known "cheesy" method of quick XP which Overkill has actually tried nerfing through newer heists which have anti ECM objective barriers, and even hidden XP triggers for taking more time in a heist.

What about Crimespree boosting off catch-up bonuses? It's clearly an intended function, but by Overkill's own admission they didn't think anything beyond 1000 was possible.

I just think if developers feel something is broken, or an exploit is possible, it's their job to fix it. Not cover up the problem by banning players while the underlying problem remains in the game, a buggy broken exploit.

[The Least Interesting Chibi...]

Yes. It's cheating, but not hacking. Mostly it's considered cheating because you are exploiting conditions set outside of the rules determined by the developers. Usually, the exploits are patched but in the mean time just be respectful with them. I mean if you are trying for speedruns then let your lobby know. Don't advertise the glitches but report them. And mostly don't shame people that are just trying to have fun in the game. So it's "cheating" but it's not really that unethical.

[DrSTAHP]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Least Schwifty Chibi...:

Yes. It's cheating, but not hacking. Mostly it's considered cheating because you are exploiting conditions set outside of the rules determined by the developers. Usually, the exploits are patched but in mind time just be respectful with them. I mean if you are trying for speedruns let your lobby know. Don't advertise the glitches but report them. And mostly don't shame people that are just trying to have in the game. So it's "cheating" but it's not really that unethical.

I wonder how overkill looks at these glitches. In the rules they say: Cheaters will be banned on forum and community, something like this, but i don't know what they mean, cheating as 3rd party programmes or glitching. In my opinion, glitching is just griefing.

[Roloca]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Jacket:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Least Schwifty Chibi...:

Yes. It's cheating, but not hacking. Mostly it's considered cheating because you are exploiting conditions set outside of the rules determined by the developers. Usually, the exploits are patched but in mind time just be respectful with them. I mean if you are trying for speedruns let your lobby know. Don't advertise the glitches but report them. And mostly don't shame people that are just trying to have in the game. So it's "cheating" but it's not really that unethical.

I wonder how overkill looks at these glitches. In the rules they say: Cheaters will be banned on forum and community, something like this, but i don't know what they mean, cheating as 3rd party programmes or glitching. In my opinion, glitching is just griefing.

I'm gonna translate that sentence from English language to Overkill language: "People, who use DLC unlockers/achievement hacks will be banned from the forum and the community, if they are so dumb to post on the forums."
Glitching is griefing as long as a company doesn't specifically ask you to don't abuse it or you will be banned. After that, it is considered cheating and you can be banned if you continously exploit it (still using Overwatch as an example, cause nothing can prevent you from playing PAYDAY 2. You can be the scummiest ♥♥♥♥♥, who uses DLC unlocker and achievement hacks, your worst punishment is getting banned from the community group. But you can add them back using said unlocker, so it's basically no punishment, except that you will be instakicked from 90% of the lobbies, because even the ingame anticheat is triggered by DLC unlockers)