Is the Union 5.56 slightly OP?

[Vincent]

Let's see here:
High fire rate of 857 RPM, decent damage and can reach 64 damage breakpoint, fast reload of 1.05 seconds with the Speed Pull magazine, decent concern of 26, and has little to no recoil plus 80 accuracy. Not to mention the same ammo count and ammo pickup of the CAR-4.
Jack of all trades, sure. But being decent at every category and no crippling flaw?

[AgentSly]

yea it is a straight upgrade from the car 4, and uar. but its a free upgrade so no real reason to care, if it was part of the Soflo Character pack then ya i'd say its kinda BS. hopefully we see a rework of every assault rifle as you hardly ever see any now adays and if u do its a dodge crit build.

[Stret]

Originally posted by AgentSly_:

yea it is a straight upgrade from the car 4, and uar. but its a free upgrade so no real reason to care, if it was part of the Soflo Character pack then ya i'd say its kinda BS. hopefully we see a rework of every assault rifle as you hardly ever see any now adays and if u do its a dodge crit build.

The UAR is sightly better than the Union when you dont want concealment IMO

[Kitab Langit]

car-4 with UE could reach higher concealment.

[BeastGTS]

The Union 5.56 is less accurate than the UAR, AK5, and AK when modded to hit the 64 damage breakpoint.

UAR: 64 dmg / 80 acc / 84 stb
AK5: 64 dmg / 76 acc / 92 stb
AK: 64 dmg / 76 acc / 92 stb

Union 5.56: 64 dmg / 72 acc / 92 stb (100 if locked to autofire)

If modded for high concealment, it is comparable to others:

CAR-4: 64 dmg / 56 acc / 68 stb / 24 conc (25 with vintage mag)
AK: 64 dmg / 56 acc / 64 (68) stb / 24 conc (25 with low drag mag)
AK5: 64 dmg / 60 acc / 80 stb / 23 conc (24 with vintage mag)

Union 5.56: 64 dmg / 56 acc / 84 stb / 23 conc (24 with vintage mag)

[Copy & Cat]

Its definetly a straight upgrade to the lions roar rifle wich is a clone with the exception of reload and concealment wich are better

[Am-I-Insane?]

Wait, whats the 64 breakpoint for? Cause i believe in the old days 40 was for 1shot HS for Tan's

[Jostabeere]

Originally posted by Am-I-Insane?:

Wait, whats the 64 breakpoint for? Cause i believe in the old days 40 was for 1shot HS for Tan's

Look up Breakpoints then?
Edit: Wow, I mistyped "look" as an insult to Asians.


Also, if Union is modded to full "concern" it is pretty mediocre. Car-4 does a better job.
But with a 19/21 soncealment build it's one of the best 60 damage rifles.

[BeastGTS]

Originally posted by Am-I-Insane?:

Wait, whats the 64 breakpoint for? Cause i believe in the old days 40 was for 1shot HS for Tan's

Actually, in the old days, 39.85 was the breakpoint to 2-headshot OVK tans and 39.24 was the breakpoint to 3-headshot DW elites.

Since the Hoxton Housewarming update, enemy HP has been scaled such that 64 becomes a breakpoint to 1-headshot OVK tans and 2-headshot DW elites.

[Link]

Most of the assault rifles do the exact same thing your saying is OP.

[uNorthodoX]

Originally posted by Jostabeere:

Originally posted by Am-I-Insane?:

Wait, whats the 64 breakpoint for? Cause i believe in the old days 40 was for 1shot HS for Tan's

♥♥♥♥ up Breakpoints then?


Also, if Union is modded to full "concern" it is pretty mediocre. Car-4 does a better job.
But with a 19/21 soncealment build it's one of the best 60 damage rifles.

The Union when modded for 20 concealment can still hit the 64 damage breakpoint, has + 8 accuracy (72 accuracy), and a much faster RoF compared to the CAR 4 (Provided you're going for the 64 damage breakpoint aswell), which in turn only has a +2 concealment (Which only matters in if you want to reach 23 concealment with a 20 concealment secondary and Inner Pockets basic, or a 22 concealment secondary without). I'd wager that's much better than the CAR4

The CAR4 when modded for max concealment can't even hit the 64 damage breakpoint unless you're willing to neuter your accuracy even worse

[Jostabeere]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

Originally posted by Jostabeere:

Look up Breakpoints then?


Also, if Union is modded to full "concern" it is pretty mediocre. Car-4 does a better job.
But with a 19/21 soncealment build it's one of the best 60 damage rifles.

The Union when modded for 20 concealment can still hit the 64 damage breakpoint, has + 8 accuracy (72 accuracy), and a much faster RoF compared to the CAR 4 (Provided you're going for the 64 damage breakpoint aswell), which in turn only has a +2 concealment. I'd wager that's much better than the CAR4

The CAR4 when modded for max concealment can't even hit the 64 damage breakpoint unless you're willing to neuter your accuracy even worse

You are right when you say that the Union is better in the 20 concealment levels 19/21 is what I always use. And maybe even the best rifle for a 23 cc sidearm (shotgun/GL).
But Car-4 can still reach 25+ concealment, and is still the best rifle which can do so. If I'm not wrong, only Valkyria can reach 25, and it's worse.
So yeah. Overall, the Union is the best allrounder, but CAR-4 is still a better mega concealer.

[uNorthodoX]

Originally posted by Jostabeere:

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

The Union when modded for 20 concealment can still hit the 64 damage breakpoint, has + 8 accuracy (72 accuracy), and a much faster RoF compared to the CAR 4 (Provided you're going for the 64 damage breakpoint aswell), which in turn only has a +2 concealment. I'd wager that's much better than the CAR4

The CAR4 when modded for max concealment can't even hit the 64 damage breakpoint unless you're willing to neuter your accuracy even worse

You are right when you say that the Union is better in the 20 concealment levels 19/21 is what I always use. And maybe even the best rifle for a 23 cc sidearm (shotgun/GL).
But Car-4 can still reach 25+ concealment, and is still the best rifle which can do so. If I'm not wrong, only Valkyria can reach 25, and it's worse.
So yeah. Overall, the Union is the best allrounder, but CAR-4 is still a better mega concealer.

The Clarion can also reach 25~ concealment, and despite lacking in accuracy it fits the role of a high DPS crit hose much better than the CAR4 due to RoF and ammo pickup, and that's pretty much what high concealment ARs do best. Breakpoints wise it's also only a few shots away from the CAR4 which is easily made up by the RoF and ammo. The one major downside I see is the lack of a speedpull.

OT: OP is obviously comparing the Union as a 64 damage breakpoint hitting AR with decent concealment, and tbh it does outclass the CAR4 and AK heavily. But IMO that's fine as the CAR and AK can still be fine tuned for other purposes, but I'd still argue that the CAR and AK are in a pretty meh place compared it's other 64 damage companions.

[Jostabeere]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

Originally posted by Jostabeere:

You are right when you say that the Union is better in the 20 concealment levels 19/21 is what I always use. And maybe even the best rifle for a 23 cc sidearm (shotgun/GL).
But Car-4 can still reach 25+ concealment, and is still the best rifle which can do so. If I'm not wrong, only Valkyria can reach 25, and it's worse.
So yeah. Overall, the Union is the best allrounder, but CAR-4 is still a better mega concealer.

The Clarion can also reach 25~ concealment, and despite lacking in accuracy it fits the role of a high DPS crit hose much better than the CAR4 due to RoF and ammo pickup, and that's pretty much what high concealment ARs do best. Breakpoints wise it's also only a few shots away from the CAR4 which is easily made up by the RoF and ammo. The one major downside I see is the lack of a speedpull.

OT: OP is obviously comparing the Union as a 64 damage breakpoint hitting AR with decent concealment, and tbh it does outclass the CAR4 and AK heavily. But IMO that's fine as the CAR and AK can still be fine tuned for other purposes, but I'd still argue that the CAR and AK are in a pretty meh place compared it's other 64 damage companions.

Sure it can.

But CAR can still be a 25 cc DMR (I know DMRs suck now, but still)
Also isn't Clarion 40 dmg rifle? So no 64 breakpoint.

[Strider]

I wouldn't call it OP, but it certainly is a straight upgrade to every single assault rifle in the game. I may be biased because my favorite rifle before the Union was released was the Lion's Roar and this gun functions more or less similarly except its reload is much quicker. The gun's handling and animations also makes it feel amazing to use.

[uNorthodoX]

Originally posted by Jostabeere:

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

The Clarion can also reach 25~ concealment, and despite lacking in accuracy it fits the role of a high DPS crit hose much better than the CAR4 due to RoF and ammo pickup, and that's pretty much what high concealment ARs do best. Breakpoints wise it's also only a few shots away from the CAR4 which is easily made up by the RoF and ammo. The one major downside I see is the lack of a speedpull.

OT: OP is obviously comparing the Union as a 64 damage breakpoint hitting AR with decent concealment, and tbh it does outclass the CAR4 and AK heavily. But IMO that's fine as the CAR and AK can still be fine tuned for other purposes, but I'd still argue that the CAR and AK are in a pretty meh place compared it's other 64 damage companions.

Sure it can.

But CAR can still be a 25 cc DMR (I know DMRs suck now, but still)
Also isn't Clarion 40 dmg rifle? So no 64 breakpoint.

The Cavity is much better than the CAR if we're talking about concealable DMRs
The CAR can't hit 64 damage either if you're gonna boost it up to 25+ concealment, unless you're willing to take your accuracy down to -50 levels