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innerf1re Sep 27, 2019 @ 11:03am
C4 explosion damage
I find it weird that in some maps the C4 Bile dropped can cause explosion damage, while in others you can just stand there and not getting hurted at all (e.g. Slaughterhouse and many others of which I don't remember the name right now). I have just given a rather bad impression in Hotline Miami D2 by getting downed and showing a Pikachu surprised face. Any other map I have to be aware of?
Last edited by innerf1re; Jan 6, 2020 @ 8:32am
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Originally posted by Lt. Phœnix:
This includes anything that explodes that I could think of.
Shaped Charged (sometimes referred to as C4 in game) does not deal damage to player, ever.

September 27th Update - Added Election Day: Day 2
Formatting should be good now...
October 1st Update - The Bomb: Dockyard added
October 15th Update - The Bomb: Dockyard info updated

Note: This was all tested with a Lightweight Ballistic Vest and the Tag Team Perk Deck equiped (+40% max health). No other increases to armour or health were in effect. The objective of my test wasn't to get the actual damage of the C4, just what deals damage.

Do heist explosions deal damage on...

Aftershock: Yes. Low damage.

The Alesso Heist: Yes. A lot, actually. You likely won't experience this as you have to stand on top of the forklifts while someone does the pyrotechnics, but I suppose you could make a mistake in stealth and ♥♥♥♥ up real good. You have to go out of your way on loud, which might not be a good idea depending on what you're playing. The Parking Meter doesn't deal any damage when it explodes.

Beneath the Mountain: Yes, the Breaching Charges absolutely will destroy you if you stand on them. These are based off tool bags and not equipment in the player's inventory.

Big Bank (C4 Tunneling Exit): No, deals no damage. I tested twice to be sure. Even if you go loud and instantly plant C4 (ie, stealth until the escape), there will be snipers on the other side. Probably the worst escape of all time. Requires no C4 in inventory.

Big Bank (Cops blowing up second timelock spawn): I've read that the cops can explode the unused timelock door spawn, but I don't think I've ever seen it happen. Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to force it to occur, so I have no idea if it's possible to die to it.

Boiling Point: Tested by S E X Y, SAM deals damage.

The Bomb: Dockyard (Loud only): If you go loud before moving the Moretta, the crew will be forced to wait for Bile to come by with a chopper and drop C4. The C4 is used on the docking gate, allowing the boat to move and removing a path for the crew to take between sides of the dock. As far as I can tell, this C4 behaves like Car Shop and Panic Room, with it being impossible to be standing in it while it detonates. This is the only C4 I am aware of that leaves a haze behind, similar to the haze produced by Meth labs in game; the haze can be seen by standing next to the dock gate after it's destruction. Haze deals no damage. Addendum: I've witnessed a bot die while standing on the C4 when it detonates. If a bot is standing on the docking gate when the C4 explodes, they will be stuck in a loop of their down animation and Bain will comment on them being down repeatedly (as in non stop) for the 30 seconds they have until they are put into custody. I'm not sure if it's possible to revive a bot while they're in this state, as when I watched it happen, the bot was too far to use Inspire.

Brooklyn Bank: As per Hatch, it deals damage.

Car Shop: Not possible to reach the explosion when it detonates without cheating, but in case you wondered, it doesn't appear to be scripted to deal any damage. I might have to test this again as it might be possible to teleport over to the C4 faster than I did the first time. Requires more than one person to test, however, and currently I only have myself.

Counterfeit: Chance to be placed in printing room. Like Rats Day 3, it's placed as a trap and will kill the player. Can be disarmed. Thanks to Dark Cannabis for pointing it out to me.

Election Day: If you fail to tag the correct truck and end up on the loud diversion Day 2, you'll have to blow up a wall. This C4 does more damage than Aftershock etc, but won't kill you if you have at least a Light Vest (50 armour and 322 health at the time of testing, +40% health as stated above), but you'll be pretty damn close if you had full health. Requires no C4 in inventory.

First World Bank: Yes. Similar damage to Aftershock. Requires no C4 in inventory.

Golden Grin: Yes. Damage is high, as when I tested I was standing on top of only 1 C4 and it instantly killed me with a light vest. Similar to Alesso Heist.

Hotline Miami: Complicated. On Day 1, the explosion from the C4 on the gas station deals no damage, but the collapse of the gas station will kill you almost immedietly after it explodes. The damage likely counts as fall or fire damage, as it does not trigger Swan Song. On Day 2, the C4 used to enter the comlex deals no damage. The C4 trapped hostage deals enough to break a Light vest and then some. The 3 C4 used to enter the Penthouse deals enough to break a light vest and then aproximately 70% of the players health (that's before the buffs mentioned earlier; it dealt about half my health at 140% normal). It's about the same for Aftershock and First World Bank.

Hoxton Breakout: No. Not placed by the player.

Panic Room: See Car Shop.

Rats: Yes. Not placed by the player. Can be avoided if players choose to ignore the money on the bus, or disarmed. Also sets fire to the whole bus when it detonates, destroying any money left on it.

Slaughterhouse: No damage from the door or the truck, at least when the truck is hanging backside down. Not sure about about when the truck needs to be shot off the wires.

I'd like to thank everyone here helping with the list and what deals damage.
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Hatch Sep 27, 2019 @ 11:25am 
Brooklyn Bank, when you blow the vault floor to take the amulet. that one I know can be lethal. There are more but I don't bother to remember, easier to stand a few meters away from the c4.
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Jostabeere Sep 27, 2019 @ 11:25am 
Why do you even stand infront of exploding C4s?
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innerf1re Sep 27, 2019 @ 11:33am 
Originally posted by Jostabeere:
Why do you even stand infront of exploding C4s?

Because it feels 😎
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Lt. Phœnix Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:30pm 
Maps C4 as equipment or etc:
Aftershock, The Alesso Heist, Stealing Xmas, Car Shop, Beneath the Mountain (not exactly C4 but it's similar), Panic Room, Hoxton Breakout (not equipment and it's for the intro only), Big Bank (C4 Tunneling escape), Hotline Miami (Day 1 Gas Station, Day 2 door to Apartments and door to Penthouse), Brooklyn Bank, Rats Day 3 (Not equipment), Golden Grin, Slaughterhouse

I haven't played most of Locke's heists yet, so I could be missing one or two, but I think that's it.

Does Day 2 of Boiling Point count? I can't remember if the SAM turret deals damage when it destroys the wall.

I remember Murky Station and Boiling Point as one heist for some reason.
Last edited by Lt. Phœnix; Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:28pm
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Zero [HU][VR] (Banned) Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:41pm 
Originally posted by Jostabeere:
Why do you even stand infront of exploding C4s?
For SCIENCE!
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Zero [HU][VR] (Banned) Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:42pm 
Originally posted by Lt. FiendX:
Maps not already mentioned that I know have C4 as equipment:
Aftershock, The Alesso Heist, Stealing Xmas, Car Shop, Beneath the Mountain (not exactly C4 but it's similar), Panic Room, Hoxton Breakout (not equipment and it's for the intro only)...

I haven't played most of Locke's heists yet, so I could be missing one or two, but I think that's it.

Does Day 2 of Boiling Point count? I can't remember if the SAM turret deals damage when it destroys the wall.
Hotline Miami too.
On day 1 it hurts. On day 2 it doesn't. Probably has something to do with the whole gas station blowing up too...
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Lt. Phœnix Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:46pm 
Originally posted by Zero HUVR:
On day 1 it hurts. On day 2 it doesn't. Probably has something to do with the whole gas station blowing up too...
I wanted to state all the heists not already listed but I'll edit it to add the others as well.

As for the C4 hurting on Day 2, it does not hurt on the first door, but does on the 3 C4 needed for the Commisar's penthouse.

edit: Me and my friend are going to go through all the heists I listed and check which deal damage.
Last edited by Lt. Phœnix; Sep 27, 2019 @ 1:52pm
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Darth Cannabis Sep 27, 2019 @ 2:56pm 
Originally posted by Lt. FiendX:
Originally posted by Zero HUVR:
On day 1 it hurts. On day 2 it doesn't. Probably has something to do with the whole gas station blowing up too...
I wanted to state all the heists not already listed but I'll edit it to add the others as well.

As for the C4 hurting on Day 2, it does not hurt on the first door, but does on the 3 C4 needed for the Commisar's penthouse.

edit: Me and my friend are going to go through all the heists I listed and check which deal damage.

Well some you can strike off the list now as un-testable. Car shops doesn't go off, until everyone is inside the dealership. Same on Panic room. It makes everyone get down to 2nd floor or lower, before it sets them off.

Any placed its used as trap by enemy, we already know it hurts. That after all is the entire point. So counterfeit, and Rats day 3 can go ahead, and be marked as harmful. Pretty sure (not 100% sure thou) I have seen the Stealing Xmas ones kill a person or two before.

Other than that, I just suggest noting, where they are used for breaches, and where its used for larger destruction. Also not number used in each case. It could be there is a pattern.
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S E X Y Sep 27, 2019 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Lt. FiendX:
Maps C4 as equipment or etc:
Aftershock, The Alesso Heist, Stealing Xmas, Car Shop, Beneath the Mountain (not exactly C4 but it's similar), Panic Room, Hoxton Breakout (not equipment and it's for the intro only), Big Bank (C4 Tunneling escape), Hotline Miami (Day 1 Gas Station, Day 2 door to Apartments and door to Penthouse), Brooklyn Bank, Rats Day 3 (Not equipment)

I haven't played most of Locke's heists yet, so I could be missing one or two, but I think that's it.

Does Day 2 of Boiling Point count? I can't remember if the SAM turret deals damage when it destroys the wall.

When boiling point had 2 days?
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Lt. Phœnix Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:03pm 
Originally posted by S E X Y:
When boiling point had 2 days?

I must be confusing Murky Station and Boiling Point as one heist. My bad. I'll fix that.
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Darth Cannabis Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:04pm 
Originally posted by S E X Y:
Originally posted by Lt. FiendX:
Maps C4 as equipment or etc:
Aftershock, The Alesso Heist, Stealing Xmas, Car Shop, Beneath the Mountain (not exactly C4 but it's similar), Panic Room, Hoxton Breakout (not equipment and it's for the intro only), Big Bank (C4 Tunneling escape), Hotline Miami (Day 1 Gas Station, Day 2 door to Apartments and door to Penthouse), Brooklyn Bank, Rats Day 3 (Not equipment)

I haven't played most of Locke's heists yet, so I could be missing one or two, but I think that's it.

Does Day 2 of Boiling Point count? I can't remember if the SAM turret deals damage when it destroys the wall.

When boiling point had 2 days?

Lol, I think he got confused. Either he is so use to mentioning day two of Big Oil, that he accidentally typed that, or he is thinking of Boiling Point, as a continuation of Murky Station.

But we all know what he means. If you stand in front of that SAM and the wall once hacked on Boiling Point, is it going to hurt?

I actually think I did that once, but I can't remember result.
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S E X Y Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:06pm 
Well,for those suicide lovers that want to be near to explosions,messiah and feign death are their best Friends v:
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Lt. Phœnix Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:08pm 
Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

Lol, I think he got confused. Either he is so use to mentioning day two of Big Oil, that he accidentally typed that, or he is thinking of Boiling Point, as a continuation of Murky Station.

But we all know what he means. If you stand in front of that SAM and the wall once hacked on Boiling Point, is it going to hurt?

I actually think I did that once, but I can't remember result.

I did Boiling Point a few days ago with the guy I play Payday with and we did it and Murky Station back to back. Given they're Jimmy's only two heists you can probably see my mistake in memory. That being said, a stealth only and loud only day back to back sounds like a terrible idea.
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S E X Y Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:10pm 
Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:
Originally posted by S E X Y:

When boiling point had 2 days?

Lol, I think he got confused. Either he is so use to mentioning day two of Big Oil, that he accidentally typed that, or he is thinking of Boiling Point, as a continuation of Murky Station.

But we all know what he means. If you stand in front of that SAM and the wall once hacked on Boiling Point, is it going to hurt?

I actually think I did that once, but I can't remember result.

If you are in front of the wall and you firr the missiles,yeah,you downed

If emp explodes,no you arent downed
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Darth Cannabis Sep 27, 2019 @ 3:15pm 
Some more C4 maps for list:

Classics: 1st national bank.
Counterfeit (clearly deadly on that one thou)
Day 2 of Election Day (when tagged the wrong truck)
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