Dragons Breath rounds good??

[cartmannumberfourTHC]

i am using the goliath with dragon breath round ist that good? are the dragon breath rounds good in genral?

[shadowmpire]

yes, best on low damage shotguns. if you use mods they will probably crash your game though.

[cartmannumberfourTHC]

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

yes, best on low damage shotguns.

does that mean its good on Goliath

[pho_kko]

Originally posted by PurpleZurple:

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

yes, best on low damage shotguns.

does that mean its good on Goliath

Well, compared to other shotguns, it's got low damage...

[shadowmpire]

Originally posted by PurpleZurple:

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

yes, best on low damage shotguns.

does that mean its good on Goliath

yes, low damage high pick up, remeber you only have to hit them once and let them burn, since they cant crit and do low damage. you need a diff gun for dozers.

[{FU}TheForgeryTTV]

Originally posted by PurpleZurple:

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

yes, best on low damage shotguns.

does that mean its good on Goliath

It's okay, but I found it not that good in crowd control due to its somewhat low rate of fire, low ammo in reserve, and not that great ammo pickup rate compared to the Street Sweeper. However, if you care more about "magazine" size, then I guess the Goliath 12G would be it.

[Ricardo]

they are fun but pretty much useless on higher dificulties still they can work like a stun gun...

[VaeV]

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

Originally posted by PurpleZurple:

does that mean its good on Goliath

yes, low damage high pick up, remeber you only have to hit them once and let them burn, since they cant crit and do low damage. you need a diff gun for dozers.

dragons breath can crit even its DoT crits. I second having a backup weapon for dozers.

[shadowmpire]

Originally posted by =H$=TheForgery:

Originally posted by PurpleZurple:

does that mean its good on Goliath

It's okay, but I found it not that good in crowd control due to its somewhat low rate of fire, low ammo in reserve, and not that great ammo pickup rate compared to the Street Sweeper. However, if you care more about "magazine" size, then I guess the Goliath 12G would be it.

i can easily croud control in dw with goliath as well as any shotgun. street sweeper is one of the worst for crowd control because of its terrible reload. goliath is great even without close by.

[shadowmpire]

Originally posted by _E_:

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

yes, low damage high pick up, remeber you only have to hit them once and let them burn, since they cant crit and do low damage. you need a diff gun for dozers.

dragons breath can crit even its DoT crits. I second having a backup weapon for dozers.

i meant "headshot" crit not low blow/unseen strike crit and im pretty sure everyone know what i meant by that and you just wanted to be that guy.

[{FU}TheForgeryTTV]

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

Originally posted by =H$=TheForgery:

It's okay, but I found it not that good in crowd control due to its somewhat low rate of fire, low ammo in reserve, and not that great ammo pickup rate compared to the Street Sweeper. However, if you care more about "magazine" size, then I guess the Goliath 12G would be it.

i can easily croud control in dw with goliath as well as any shotgun. street sweeper is one of the worst for crowd control because of its terrible reload. goliath is great even without close by.

It's actually better, since you don't have to finish the reload animation for the Street Sweeper, unlike the Goliath 12G. In other words, you can cancel it with a melee attack and still be able to fire at least a few rounds.

Also, the Goliath 12G has not such a good rate of fire compared to the Street Sweeper.

[shadowmpire]

Originally posted by =H$=TheForgery:

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

i can easily croud control in dw with goliath as well as any shotgun. street sweeper is one of the worst for crowd control because of its terrible reload. goliath is great even without close by.

It's actually better, since you don't have to finish the reload animation for the Street Sweeper, unlike the Goliath 12G. In other words, you can cancel it with a melee attack and still be able to fire at least a few rounds.

Also, the Goliath 12G has not such a good rate of fire compared to the Street Sweeper.

i'd rather reload the entire mag than 2 rounds.

[{FU}TheForgeryTTV]

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

Originally posted by =H$=TheForgery:

It's actually better, since you don't have to finish the reload animation for the Street Sweeper, unlike the Goliath 12G. In other words, you can cancel it with a melee attack and still be able to fire at least a few rounds.

Also, the Goliath 12G has not such a good rate of fire compared to the Street Sweeper.

i'd rather reload the entire mag than 2 rounds.

Tell that to a common unit that can shoot you down when you don't have any armor and little health.

[shadowmpire]

Originally posted by =H$=TheForgery:

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

i'd rather reload the entire mag than 2 rounds.

Tell that to a common unit that can shoot you down when you don't have any armor and little health.

that only happens with street sweeper since u have to keep constantly reloading while the goliath can stunlock with fire completely while having plenty of time to reload. i have plently of experiance in every level being able to stun lock entire groups of enemies and have even held out solo waves and traded teammates. cover and listening to enemy spawn sounds is key. also i dont use dodge i use armor so its not often that my armor breaks. only to dozers, and while reviving teammates.

[VaeV]

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

Originally posted by _E_:

dragons breath can crit even its DoT crits. I second having a backup weapon for dozers.

i meant "headshot" crit not low blow/unseen strike crit and im pretty sure everyone know what i meant by that and you just wanted to be that guy.

Not everyone or we wouldnt have so many questions on the subject. Remember not everyone that comes onto these forums "knows" what you meant.

[{FU}TheForgeryTTV]

Originally posted by shadowmpire:

Originally posted by =H$=TheForgery:

Tell that to a common unit that can shoot you down when you don't have any armor and little health.

that only happens with street sweeper since u have to keep constantly reloading while the goliath can stunlock with fire completely while having plenty of time to reload. i have plently of experiance in every level being able to stun lock entire groups of enemies and have even held out solo waves and traded teammates. cover and listening to enemy spawn sounds is key. also i dont use dodge i use armor so its not often that my armor breaks. only to dozers, and while reviving teammates.

I don't use dodge either because it's pretty useless now as it takes too much skill points and it's not reliable.

As for the reload part, it's usually not an issue for me as when I am able to spam dragonbreath rounds on enemies and while they're stunned, I am usually given the ability to reload without being attacked. By the time other units come in (or the fire doesn't kill them), I can repeat the process.

I tried the same thing with the Goliath with nearly all shotgun skills (the only one I didn't get at the time was the accuracy bonus) and I couldn't control crowds as easily and manage ammo. It was a pain to keep on tapping the fire key and not being able to fire sufficient rounds unlike the Street Sweeper for me.

The main weakness of firebreath rounds for any shotgun regardless is it can't stun Bulldozers (though they can be lit on fire). To compensate for that, I get Overkill aced to deal with them quickly by using a fully automatic rifle.