Why is it so hard to stealth in this game?

[Augoeides]

I've looked up guides, placed my skills for it (although they basically don't help at all), have a really low Detection Risk of 3, and Concealment at or near 30 usually, and I'm using a silenced pistol, but its so damn hard to complete a level without it becoming a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ shoot em out, which is not what I wanted out of this game.

I've been playing for like 10 hours now, and I'm lv47 thanks to a few runs teaming with a friend, but in all my personal play sessions, I think I've only completed like 4 maps, because it always boils down into me like spending 2 hours just to finish one freaking mission. And apparently because of how many times I've started over, I'm broke, because the game never told me that it doesn't refund the money you spend on assets when you fail.

I'm trying my best to like this game, especially since I've been wanting to play it forever, but it's like the most infuriating thing I've played in years. Like even the normal maps♥♥♥♥♥♥me off. It's so easy to get detected that I'm pulling my hair out.

Is there something that I'm missing for stealth? Cause I've pretty much memorized the levels at this point, but damnit I'm always running out of security calls, or I get spotted while moving a hostage or something else completely freaking random.

[grishenko [NOR]]

You should have detection of 3, 30 is INSANELY high :-)

Also, practise...

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by grishenko NOR:

You should have detection of 3, 30 is INSANELY high :-)

Also, practise...

My Detection Risk is 3, I meant my Concealment is 30.

[SnazzyDuckling]

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

Originally posted by grishenko NOR:

You should have detection of 3, 30 is INSANELY high :-)

Also, practise...

My Detection Risk is 3, I meant my Concealment is 30.

Like the guy above said. Practice.

[johhnylover2929]

maybe because your new and you don't know how to stealth? you should just do like grishenko [NOR] said

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by SnazzyDuckling:

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

My Detection Risk is 3, I meant my Concealment is 30.

Like the guy above said. Practice.

How much practice do you need? I've been at it 10 hours. The game is unforgiving as hell.

[PRZ2K0]

Practice and practice my friend.

I also had difficulties in beating heists on stealth, but after some time I get enough experience and now I can beat every heist.

[SnazzyDuckling]

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

Originally posted by SnazzyDuckling:

Like the guy above said. Practice.

How much practice do you need? I've been at it 10 hours. The game is unforgiving as hell.

10 hours is nothing. Its all about learning knicks and knacks of the game, the AI and the maps.

[Duck]

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

I've been playing for like 10 hours now, and I'm lv47

Now here lies the problem. Read through some guides, there are some hidden mechanics on stealth u might want to look into

[SpaceBikerV]

Trip mines, spycams, anything that can detect guards for you helps a lot.

If they can't see you, they can't detect you. That means even a super thin pole can be used to block their sight between you and him if you manouver well enough.

Even experienced players have it rough. Luck plays a part as well

[Sad_soggy_sausage]

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

Originally posted by SnazzyDuckling:

Like the guy above said. Practice.

How much practice do you need? I've been at it 10 hours. The game is unforgiving as hell.

The game is easy as hell, mainly the stealthy part.

[Mañana]

Originally posted by SnazzyDuckling:

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

How much practice do you need? I've been at it 10 hours. The game is unforgiving as hell.

10 hours is nothing. Its all about learning knicks and knacks of the game, the AI and the maps.

After that, you'll be complaining how easy it is/how stupid it is

[Augoeides]

Originally posted by SnazzyDuckling:

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

How much practice do you need? I've been at it 10 hours. The game is unforgiving as hell.

10 hours is nothing. Its all about learning knicks and knacks of the game, the AI and the maps.

It's one thing to spend a lot of time to master something in a game, but stealth should be just as prominent as the shoots outs. I have trouble just doing the Normal bank heists. It feels so much faster to just shoot every body and everything that moves with no mental effort.

I know PayDay2 isn't Metal Gear or Splinter Cell, but its really frustrating just to do something minor, like get a key card and use it on a security room (although I can use EMP now, but you get the point).

[0ptimistPrime (the Gray)]

It will take you a lot of time to get good at stealth. After 100hr in the game I was able to stealth "Bank Heist" by myself in about 50min. Which is so painfully slow for me now, but back then I was thrilled just to complete it.
I do highly recommend starting on Bank Heist maps because there are exactly 4 guards so you don't have to worry about using too many pagers. Use cameras to lure guards to you (breaking a camera while the guard in the security room is still watching the cams will make one of the other guards come check on the broken camera). If ECM isn't working for you, try using trip mines as sensors so you can keep an eye (or ear) out for when guards are moving somewhere you can ambush them.

The best way to get better is to just keep practicing. It'll be frustrating at first.. heck, at times it can still be frustrating even after 1,000+ hours, but practice makes the skill.

And if you get to the point where you want to pull out your hair, try pulling up some videos of other people stealthing the heist you're trying. See their strategies and techniques, and see what you can learn from that and incorporate into your own style.


If you want someone to stealth with, I'd be happy to tag along with you and help show you the ropes. More than half of my playtime in this game is solo stealthing, because I reeeeally enjoy the stealth mechanics in this game. I taught my sister how to stealth, I wouldn't mind helping you out if you wanted. If so, feel free to shoot my a freind request. I've stayed up late addressing threads on the forum, so I'm about to crash, but I'll have time tomorrow (or I guess "today") and over the weekend though.

[CapitalTeeth]

Just play some jewelry store to get the hang of it.

[grishenko [NOR]]

Originally posted by Rabid Wombat:

Originally posted by SnazzyDuckling:

Like the guy above said. Practice.

How much practice do you need? I've been at it 10 hours. The game is unforgiving as hell.

I have played the game for 1000 hours. There are maps I think is hard to stealth...

Start with Bank Heist, Four Stores and Jewelry Store. 4 or less guards so you can kill them all, watch out for cameras, learn how detection work, learn how and when to use ecm.

When you have learned the basics start with Art Gallery, learn how to move and how detection works. You can NOT kill all gaurds ;-)

It might take you hundreds of hours to be good at stealth. When you are too frustrated play loud instead - that csn be difficult too so dont start with the higher difficulty :-)