Prototype Weapons Pack DLC idea

[Mr.Duckard]

WAIT BEFORE WRITING THAT "WE DON'T NEED FAKE WEAPONS AND LASERS"

This pack is about weapons that never ended up getting out of the prototype stage, BUT are weapons that were actually built, if only in very limited numbers: prototypes.

The best part? I got a weapon for most kinds, but SMGs and LMGs.

tl;dr:

Weapon pack dedicated to weapons that entered the fisical stage of prototypes but never entered mass production.
-Pankor Jackhammer for the shotgun.
-XM8 or F2000 for the ARs.
-The old G11 for it's caseless bullets.
-VS-121 or OTs-03 SVU for the sniper rifle.
-Boberg XR-9 pistol as a powerful, concealable pistol.
-FMG-9, an SMG that can be folded to look like a briefcase.

+Some special ammunitions idea.

It's just a videogame, a very unrealistic one at that, we can have some weapons that are, in real life, impossible/hard to find.

Pancor Jackhammer

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer
Let's start with a well loved classic of a shotgun, an automatic shotgun.
Truly a beast of a gun, it also feature a very futuristic look but at the same time appearing brutal and menacing.

It never entered production, as it had severe chamber problems.

Heckler & Koch G11

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11
Another blast from the past, from the cold war comes an exotic weapon that chambered caseless bullets.

Testing was successful, but the obligation to standardize NATO ammo put the weapon out of mass production.

Included more for fun and the strangeness of a caseless gun, it's reload animation would be quite peculiar.

Heckler & Koch XM8

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_XM8
Our first modern weapon, also successfully tested, it ended up in development limbo and see limited use as of now.

Still a beautiful and sleek son of a gun, between its CQC and LMG variant OVK can play around with mods that could alter the feel of the gun drastically.

Boberg XR-9 pistol

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/boberg-xr-9-e.html
Boasting the title of "most powerful 9mm on Earth" is the XR-9, an interesting pistol based on the concept of giving powerful penetration to a small, easily concealable pistol.

How? with a non-conventional pull and push system to load the cartridge.
Small magazine, great concealment, low ROF but high power, all in a solid looking package.

VS-121 or OTs-03 SVU?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/05/06/izhmash-prototype-vs-121-sniper-rifle/
The VS-121 russian bullpup sniper rifle it's a the newer take to substitute the Dragunov, but with a longer barrel to add accuracy and a more modern design.

While the OTs-03 SVU is its direct adversary: a modernized, but still looking like the
classic, bullpup sniper rifle, already in use actually.

Fabrique Nationale F2000

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FN_F2000
A french bullpup, with its unique looking integrated sights, is truly a distinguished gun, used mostly by special forces around the world.

Included for personal taste as it's not a true "prototype", it's still not a weapon that see widespread use and it certainly looks the part.

FMG-9

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Magpul_FMG-9
The first SGMs, I found this idea in another thread by the fella Travel, identified by Pain, so credit to them.

This SMG will never see production, by word of its manufacturer, so it would fit in the theme of "prototype stuff which exists in small numbers".
It's a cool little concept, and it would make a nice addiction to the pack.

Special Ammunitions

An idea I gave a small thought about in another thread is specialized ammo for ARs, that could come with the pack.

Possibilities are:
-Subsonic ammo, complement a silencer, adding concealment/reducing sound but reducing damage and/or rate of fire.
-JHP/JSP or Jacketed Hollow Point and Soft Point, bullets banned for warfare and used for hunting, they come with better damage but with greatly reduced pick up rate and maybe a smaller max ammo pool too.
-Armor piercing, have no idea about downsides and upsides I'll admit.

These are just idea, if someone with greater knowledge of guns want to suggest more ammo types, I invite them to do so.

Possible objection

Q.How can the payday gang get their hands on prototype weaponry?
A.The same way we can have perfectly usable WW2 guns + ammo supply for them, the same way they do all they do: being in a videogame.

Last words

I didn't include any SMGs or LMGs because I wanted to keep this Pack focused on a limited number of guns, 1 pistol, 1 sniper rifle, 1 shotgun, 2 serious, and 1 less serious, candidates for the AR slot.

Comment, criticize and suggest.

EDIT: added FMG-9 SMG.
added a line to the tl;dr section.
made the tl;dr easier to see.

[Fluoride]

I'd like to see a MP412 REX revolver!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP412_REX
Produced by IZHMECH as a Revolver for EXport (REX) with it's largest potental market being the United States, but the 1990 ban of firearms imported from Russia ensured it never got produced.

(And just in case, I knew about the REX long before BF or CoD added it into their arsenals.)

[Mr Pyro]

Isaak eredeti hozzászólása:

I'd like to see a MP412 REX revolver!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP412_REX
Produced by IZHMECH as a Revolver for EXport (REX) with it's largest potental market being the United States, but the 1990 ban of firearms imported from Russia ensured it never got produced.

(And just in case, I knew about the REX long before BF or CoD added it into their arsenals.)

Sounds good to me, I want me a new damn revolver. I hope to see this in some kind of Gage Russia pack.

[Pain]

Tyrrel Duckard eredeti hozzászólása:

-Actually they can be used on any gun of the appropriate caliber, and no subsonic weapons exist.

Wrong, You should go to the Medieval Weapons Surplus Store for your taste of bows, crossbows, and slings! There are your subsonic weapons.

And If I recall my notes correctly the AS Val is specifically designed to shoot subsonic rounds to avoid that bullet whip sound when the round travels (in fact, that weapon have the Russians designing subsonic rounds just for it), so by the note: It actually could be called a "subsonic" weapon.

[McKillem]

Pain eredeti hozzászólása:

Tyrrel Duckard eredeti hozzászólása:

-Actually they can be used on any gun of the appropriate caliber, and no subsonic weapons exist.

Wrong, You should go to the Medieval Weapons Surplus Store for your taste of bows, crossbows, and slings! There are your subsonic weapons.

And If I recall my notes correctly the AS Val is specifically designed to shoot subsonic rounds to avoid that bullet whip sound when the round travels (in fact, that weapon have the Russians designing subsonic rounds just for it), so by the note: It actually could be called a "subsonic" weapon.

There are no subsonic weapons, there's only subsonic ammunition, since it's not the weapon that gets to travel at subsonic speed :)

[Pain]

McKillem eredeti hozzászólása:

Pain eredeti hozzászólása:

Wrong, You should go to the Medieval Weapons Surplus Store for your taste of bows, crossbows, and slings! There are your subsonic weapons.

And If I recall my notes correctly the AS Val is specifically designed to shoot subsonic rounds to avoid that bullet whip sound when the round travels (in fact, that weapon have the Russians designing subsonic rounds just for it), so by the note: It actually could be called a "subsonic" weapon.

There are no subsonic weapons, there's only subsonic ammunition, since it's not the weapon that gets to travel at subsonic speed :)

A javelin from the Medieval Weapons Surplus Store travels at subsonic speed, don't be so coy, Mr. Smartass. ;)

[McKillem]

Pain eredeti hozzászólása:

McKillem eredeti hozzászólása:

There are no subsonic weapons, there's only subsonic ammunition, since it's not the weapon that gets to travel at subsonic speed :)

A javelin from the Medieval Weapons Surplus Store travels at subsonic speed, don't be so coy, Mr. Smartass. ;)

Except it is never called subsonic, since there's no supersonic javelins of this type, thus no need to differentiate. Every weapon is subsonic by that logic, unless it's mounted on a supersonic carrier. And who do you call a smartass, smartass? :)

[Pain]

McKillem eredeti hozzászólása:

Pain eredeti hozzászólása:

A javelin from the Medieval Weapons Surplus Store travels at subsonic speed, don't be so coy, Mr. Smartass. ;)

Except it is never called sunsonic, since there's no supersonic javelins of this type, thus no need to differentiate. Every weapon is subsonic by that logic, unless it's mounted on a supersonic carrier. And who do you call a smartass, smartass? :)

Sunsonic? Is that the new term for Magnesium SABRE rounds? LOLolol. :0 The fun has been had, let us move on.

[McKillem]

Pain eredeti hozzászólása:

McKillem eredeti hozzászólása:

Except it is never called sunsonic, since there's no supersonic javelins of this type, thus no need to differentiate. Every weapon is subsonic by that logic, unless it's mounted on a supersonic carrier. And who do you call a smartass, smartass? :)

Sunsonic? Is that the new term for Magnesium SABRE rounds? LOLolol. :0 The fun has been had, let us move on.

Reaching for a low hanging fruit, aren't we?

Let's move on indeed.

Obligatory Vector reference, even though it's not really a prototype anymore.

[The Minotaur]

I would love a Pancor Jackhammer or G11. Overkill plz.

[Leap]

I really like this idea. A lot of the guns are admittedly more appealing in form than function, but it would be cool theme to explore, especially since we've had a weapon pack for every weapon type but pistols. We could also get some cool futuristic melee weapons and masks, which would surely be a hit.

[Pyro Fennec]

I'd buy it for the Pancor Jackhammer, and I hate using shotguns.

G11 is nice too.

Very solid idea!

[Brummbär]

Maybe with the introduction of the Butcher as an arms dealer and Gage current "vocation" they could be added.

[Bran Mak Morn]

Mutant1988 eredeti hozzászólása:

Max eredeti hozzászólása:

No XM29 OICW?

Too complicated and too overpowered.

If you don't accurately portray it's multiple functions as an assault rifle (With multiple magnification and NV and IR capabilities IIRC) and air burst (Explodes after a preset travel distance) grenade launcher it would be completely pointless to add.

As for the weapons suggested, I'm very much against the inclusion of guns that simply don't exist (Pancor Jackhammer) or very spectacular misguided technical failures (The H&K G11 and really anything currently classed as firing "Caseless" rounds).

I could see the XM8 and FN F2000 though, since those guns both exist and work. And last I read on it the XM8 has been adopted by Malasyan special forces or something like that, so I suppose there is some merits to it's design.

The SVU is a nice gun but seems to be rather lackluster in terms of customization, with it's completely fixed stock (On account of it containing the magazine well). For that reason alone I'd rather have the more old school SVD, which could fit a wider variety of stocks (Classic wooden, polymer or even CAR stocks).

The Boberg X9 seems completely pointless. We already have super compact 9mms with the Glock 42 and the PPK.

pretty much this. nothing more needs to be said on the topic.

[Khrusayder]

Xm8, f2000 and few prototype weapons are on Lastbullet. They are awesome, but i would bought a dlc with that weapons specially for the g11, pancor and xm8. Cause ovk do a very good reload animations. And the mods on Lastbullet use in-game animations.

[Copy & Cat]

Khrusayder eredeti hozzászólása:

Xm8, f2000 and few prototype weapons are on Lastbullet. They are awesome, but i would bought a dlc with that weapons specially for the g11, pancor and xm8. Cause ovk do a very good reload animations. And the mods on Lastbullet use in-game animations.

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