Election Day 2 (Stealth) Has Too Many Guards

[Omega Riddler]

This job probably has the higest chance of a guard seeing you, for me at least it has my highest failure rate. I have only successfully done it 3 times on Stealth, 2 if you don't count Normal. I would think that realisticly, there would only be a need for 4 guards, 3 for each room and one to watch upstairs. It feels like the AI isn't walking a generic path, it knows where I am and it is pathing the closest guard to where I am. I watch a couple of Payday 2 livestreams and when I see this job, it is frequently reset and chaining ECMs is always used. We shouldn't have to use a cheese tactic just to get a stealth bonus.

[SuppaTenko]

I think it's a really easy stealth mission. I often use 2 or less pagers. It's not that hard to avoid the guards when you are careful and plan ahead. Just start by killing the camera guy, search for cards and do outside and the the rooms with the cages first. You can wait and kill 4 guards and make the mission a breeze too.

[Mr. Fancy Pants]

lol l2p noob

[visual.noise]

you need more patience. don't hack the machines while there's a guard nearby. save keycards for cages that have crates in them. *pro-tip: bring a flashlight on the harder difficulties. you can use them to see into the cages from the catwalk above to figure out which ones have crates.

[Omega Riddler]

you presume I hack when a guard is near by but there is always the chance a guard is near by that the spotter can't see

[visual.noise]

Escrito originalmente por Omega Riddler:

you presume I hack when a guard is near by but there is always the chance a guard is near by that the spotter can't see

then thats your fault for not keeping an eye out for the guard. you can't rely on spotter 100% of the time. how do you think we do it when someone doesn't have the spotter skill? do it the old fashioned way and scout it out yourself.

[Omega Riddler]

there is always a point you could argue. the rng is almost as bad as train hesit, that's my point. shut up

[puzzlefox]

Cool, another "this is too hard for me, so it should be made easier so I can do it" thread.

Payday is not an instant gratification game like CoD. It's more like Dark Souls where you will fail and fail and fail and fail and fail a million times more, but with each fail, if you are able to learn, you will get better. Keep trying. Git gud. You'll eventually look back on this thread and laugh at how noob you were.

[Omega Riddler]

It is too hard for me because I can't play the way it is intended, with 3 other people. and i have already explained why i won't play with randoms

[visual.noise]

Escrito originalmente por Omega Riddler:

there is always a point you could argue. the rng is almost as bad as train hesit, that's my point. shut up

scouting is not RNG. failure to see an incoming patrol is user error. i think you need more practice to see and understand guard behavior and pathing.

[SuppaTenko]

You can always just kill off a few guards in relatively safe areas. To make it less crowded.
It's not that hard once you get used to it.

[Tenndex]

Escrito originalmente por Axton:

Escrito originalmente por Omega Riddler:

but on this job, you have to stay close to the machine being hacked so you can cover it up which increases the odd of being seen and those odds are high, especially when doing it solo, it's hard to hide from more than 1 guard in different places

Don't just hack the machine when you first find it. Wait to make sure the coast is clear first. Also you don't need to close up the crates afterwards, you can ignore Bain. Hiding from guards is something you'll learn from experience, especially when you're the host. You would be surprised at the BS you can get away with as the host.

The amount of crap you can get away with as host is bloody amazing.

Theres videos floating around here somewere of people just flying around Firestarter day 1 just ignoring the cartel members and getting most of the bags without killing any gang members.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=382558176

Just watch the first part.

[Lordpizzaroll]

Escrito originalmente por Omega Riddler:

you presume I hack when a guard is near by but there is always the chance a guard is near by that the spotter can't see

You can always.......you know........ look around and spot them yourself.

Generally I've noticed that most guards all path to one side of the wharehouse at once.
So if the left side is crowed at the moment then that means the right side should be vacant and easy to search for machines.

[qweqweqwe]

This is why you have 3 friends bring upgraded ECMs,stealth abit then ECM RUSH when you've got all of them :D

[Derek Icelord]

I don't have a problem with the current guard count. The Diamond is far worse. I stealth Election Day frequently (one of my personal favorites). Don't open the upper door, and kill the two guards upstairs. This gives you the whole upper level as a relative safe area (be careful near the rails).

[CommanderCH]

I thought this thread was about Election Day, Breaking Ballot...