Fix Bulldozers on Hard

[Omega Riddler]

I play solo regularly, I like to play on normal but sometimes I'll do Hard difficulty. The one thing that kills me in Hard is what I like to call the Tag Team Dozers of the World. A green and a black dozer will just show up and it's always when I'm in a position where I can't fight them and win.

How can I beat two Bulldozers with just The Judge and a Saw, funny, it's only when I have the Saw equiped on solo that this has happened. It's unbalanced for Hard, especially when the AI teammates can't handle them. I think the Dozers themselves might be manageable if carful, it's all the other cops that swarm me that make it impossible to deal with them.

[RAM RANCH3R]

Get a grenade get a shot gun GG dozers you don't have nades sucks to be you ;3

[Omega Riddler]

Originally posted by $hIZZy:

Get a grenade get a shot gun GG dozers you don't have nades sucks to be you ;3

expecting every player to have a certain item in unfair

[DocV]

No, you should have nades. Especially when playing solo loud.

[Mataza]

Aside from you not having nades, which heist do you play with saw/judge loud?
If it's armored transports than judge gun is a pretty weak choice(secondary MUST be able to deal with dozers), if it's a stealthable heist like bank than you should learn how to stealth the heist instead.

Secondaries able to deal with Bulldozers include some pistols(depends on which ones work for you) and most SMGs.
(Secondary) shotguns are generally weak against dozers because of the range. In close quarters bulldozers win almost always. Plus the rate of fire is pretty slow, making it hard to quickly break the face plate and visor.

[CoryStar]

You should not be bringing the saw into a heist if you are soloing loud.
The saw is a luxury item. It is awful at killing(even if you waste the points on the Aced Carbon Blade). It is not meant to be brought in during solo heists.

Especially if you are doing it loud. I can see the saw being fine if you are stealthing the heist, since 9/10 you won't need a primary during stealth.

[Ricky T. Bones]

Originally posted by Mataza:

Aside from you not having nades, which heist do you play with saw/judge loud?
If it's armored transports than judge gun is a pretty weak choice(secondary MUST be able to deal with dozers), if it's a stealthable heist like bank than you should learn how to stealth the heist instead.

Secondaries able to deal with Bulldozers include some pistols(depends on which ones work for you) and most SMGs.
(Secondary) shotguns are generally weak against dozers because of the range. In close quarters bulldozers win almost always. Plus the rate of fire is pretty slow, making it hard to quickly break the face plate and visor.

This and NEVER stand your ground against them, deal the damage and keep moving.

[Omega Riddler]

Originally posted by Mataza:

Aside from you not having nades, which heist do you play with saw/judge loud?
If it's armored transports than judge gun is a pretty weak choice(secondary MUST be able to deal with dozers), if it's a stealthable heist like bank than you should learn how to stealth the heist instead.

Secondaries able to deal with Bulldozers include some pistols(depends on which ones work for you) and most SMGs.
(Secondary) shotguns are generally weak against dozers because of the range. In close quarters bulldozers win almost always. Plus the rate of fire is pretty slow, making it hard to quickly break the face plate and visor.

I don'y have the armored transport dlc. I wouldn't need a saw for that because the AI would cover me, I usually play Mallcrashers and Bank Heists witht the saw. A single dozer with the Judge, I can manage fairly easy, seeing a dozer fly through the air when I kill it with the judge is a beautiful thing. I let the AI distract him so I can get close and rapid fire the judge in the face and I run to cover to reload. But when I have to take on two of them, the AI gets downed so fast and I am cornered with no way to deal with two dozers while cops come and down me. The problem is by the time I notice them, I have already been cornered and it's really hard to get a shot on 1 without the other firing on me. The AI doesn't call them out.

[Mataza]

In that case I recommend that you pay more attention to the audio. Dozers have a distinct radio noise in their voicelines and they do talk a lot.

Apart from that I can't really help you beyond "maybe try other weapons" if you have problems with bulldozers.
Maybe "get better at the game", but that would be considered offensive.
Good luck anyway.

[Omega Riddler]

Oh, I use the saw on Mallcrashers to make up for not being able to get all 3 bags and I can do that easily on normal. All I ask is that if Bulldozer's show up on hard, they aren't impersonating the Hunters from Halo

[grishenko [NOR]]

If you use a saw in solo play to open atm or deposits that is a luxury. You do that if you are good enough to handle what the difficulty decides to throw at you without your primary weapon. Not really something you can complain about in a coop game?

[Omega Riddler]

I thought Bulldozers appear from Very Hard difficult and above

[SCamp]

All I can say is... Hit and run. Nothing wrong with the Loco for anti-dozer (overkill and berserker help). Might want to be a bit more guerilla-fighter with it. If you're specced for pistols, any of them will do (be guerilla-y with them too). STRYK just does it better than others (run up, point at chin, let 'er rip). Also SMGs (in the STRYK method).

For primaries: AR-16. Seriously, this is the anti-dozer gun. Mosconi with Bulletstorm (or more guerilla fighting without Bulletstorm).

If you have a mission which the saw makes the mission faster or is required (Bank Heist: Deposit, Framing Frame D1), bring the saw (you only need the basic version of the skill, and nothing else). If it's anything else, bring an AR-16.