Fix Black Bulldozers

[Gfxi]

Everyone knows black bulldozers are broken, the range is broken af and they give 0 reaction time or chance to kill them effectively. just fix them already.

[Nighthawk]

I have been on this forum long enough to know that people will disagree, all I can do is say that people are welcome to do so but they are not allowed to diss others.

[Ralphy]

You probably used the Maniac perk deck, usually, dozers can kill you even if you have max maniac effect.

Try use Stoic perk deck, you can tank their shots, just give it a try :D

[Gfxi]

Stoic is so busted that its laughable, but thats another issue entirely and shouldnt be linked to the core problem of the dozer

[Ralphy]

Originalmente postado por Gfxi:

Stoic is so busted that its laughable, but thats another issue entirely and shouldnt be linked to the core problem of the dozer

But what's the point of Bulldozer then? Isn't to quickly take down the players?

I will say, the other Bulldozers should get a buff too, in specialy damage buff. The Blackdozer is a perfect Bulldozer, threatening and scary.

If you have a big problem with the Blackdozer, use weapon that can easily deal with them, the HRL-7 can 1 shot them on Death Wish, or better Commando 101 with bullets storm, both for Death Wish and Death Sentence.

But yeah, that's my opinion on that :)

[Gfxi]

now your argument consists of "if you want to kill base game enemy, buy a dlc pack and use that" the dozer still is fundamentally broken and all your doing is applying band aids to try and fix it. the wound will still fester until cleansed

[Ralphy]

Originalmente postado por Gfxi:

now your argument consists of "if you want to kill base game enemy, buy a dlc pack and use that" the dozer still is fundamentally broken and all your doing is applying band aids to try and fix it. the wound will still fester until cleansed

The Rocket Launchers were just an example, you can use the M308 with full auto mode as well, the 100 dmg akimbo smgs, akimbo Glock 18c, everything really..

The problem is the "ah I can just run in front of the dozer, shot in the head, and not to worry if he kills me, since he doesn't do that much damage" type of thinking, instead of "i may need another player to take down this big guy, if I go alone, I will be dead", this makes the game too easy.

If the dozer is more challenging to deal with, it can make the co-op experience (since this game is co op) more fun to play, at least for me :)

If you make them weaker, then there is no point to play the game..

[Lunch]

dont see the problems with dozers, just shoot them in the face

[Gfxi]

the problem isnt killing the dozer, its when your just doing something and get 1 shot out of no where, then when down you look around and, oh look, theres the black dozer. killing dozers isnt the problem and i feel your just trying to look for ways to deconstruct the discussion rather than discuss

[Ralphy]

Originalmente postado por Gfxi:

the problem isnt killing the dozer, its when your just doing something and get 1 shot out of no where, then when down you look around and, oh look, theres the black dozer. killing dozers isnt the problem and i feel your just trying to look for ways to deconstruct the discussion rather than discuss

nah, I just find it funny mate :D

[BlackRibbon]

They are fixed. They used to deal ~500 damage years ago with no damage fall off.

[Gfxi]

and now, by stats ive seen, they do around 250 at all range with no fall off. mixed with a semi auto shotgun means essentially a full auto sniper. unless you have any stats or evidence to support otherwise

[Mustard Seeds]

Obligatory: get gud skrub.

They work perfectly fine also you're so wrong is almost laughable they don't deal 250 on all ranges, past 11m their damage drops significantly on DS from 255 to 150 and keeps going down stopping at 105 and for DW it stays at 210 at 11m only drops past 16m to 150 all the way to 105 but barely makes a difference.

What you describe just sounds like a rookie mistake with a deck you aren't used to which is probably anarchist or anything with frenzy as there is no way to get one shotted by black dozers on long range, they can only one shot you at 0-5 meters since they deal full damage and that'd be 100% your fault but you shouldn't be in the open for any shotgun dozer to just drop you considering their ROF and accuracy drops the longer their distance is If I recall correctly.

Also you asked for stats and there isn't an up to date sheet of enemies but I edited the wiki for the damage dozers deal https://payday.fandom.com/wiki/Bulldozer_(Payday_2) just read the damage outputs and we can both laugh at how a mediocre enemy is giving you trouble I didn't bothered to put their ROF or their accuracy since doesn't matter that much but they don't even have 100% accuracy at 0-5m and their ROF drops to like 1 shot/sec on long distance.

[Marksman Max]

Originalmente postado por Gfxi:

Everyone knows black bulldozers are broken, the range is broken af and they give 0 reaction time or chance to kill them effectively. just fix them already.

I disagree. If anything, Green Dozers kill me more often if I can't DPS them fast enough; at point-blank range, they do a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of damage per shot.

[Gfxi]

Originalmente postado por Mustard Seeds:

Obligatory: get gud skrub.

They work perfectly fine also you're so wrong is almost laughable they don't deal 250 on all ranges, past 11m their damage drops significantly on DS from 255 to 150 and keeps going down stopping at 105 and for DW it stays at 210 at 11m only drops past 16m to 150 all the way to 105 but barely makes a difference.

What you describe just sounds like a rookie mistake with a deck you aren't used to which is probably anarchist or anything with frenzy as there is no way to get one shotted by black dozers on long range, they can only one shot you at 0-5 meters since they deal full damage and that'd be 100% your fault but you shouldn't be in the open for any shotgun dozer to just drop you considering their ROF and accuracy drops the longer their distance is If I recall correctly.

Also you asked for stats and there isn't an up to date sheet of enemies but I edited the wiki for the damage dozers deal https://payday.fandom.com/wiki/Bulldozer_(Payday_2) just read the damage outputs and we can both laugh at how a mediocre enemy is giving you trouble I didn't bothered to put their ROF or their accuracy since doesn't matter that much but they don't even have 100% accuracy at 0-5m and their ROF drops to like 1 shot/sec on long distance.

dismissing your attempts at humour, the stats still show they do the most consistent damage over all ranges and that at max falloff, do just 15 less than an lmg dozer, with more shot pellets and spread?

[Gfxi]

Originalmente postado por Marksman Max:

Originalmente postado por Gfxi:

Everyone knows black bulldozers are broken, the range is broken af and they give 0 reaction time or chance to kill them effectively. just fix them already.

I disagree. If anything, Green Dozers kill me more often if I can't DPS them fast enough; at point-blank range, they do a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of damage per shot.

at point blank range, the green dozer is supposed to do that. its that bulldozers character class. the black dozer however just acts like a sniper and a shotgunner. atleast through all my 1000 hours playing. obviously people on this post seem to disagree.