Robbedacop trophy: Lower the kill count goal

[Red]

There's currently a trophy awarded to you for killing 658893 enemies (IIRC the number is the D.C. population). Now, I get the reference and all but considering that this is getting added 3 years after release, that none of our previous kills count for it and the fact that the support for this game is going to end in aprox. a year, isn't the number way too high?

To put this in perspective. I have the game since release and my kill count is quite average (I'm not the kind of guy who kills over 300 cops in a heist) but according to the FBI files I have a total of 154021 kills. That's not even 1/4 of the kills required and I'm someone who plays this since release. I also got around 1800 kills since the trophies were added.

This means I'll have to constantly kill enemies for NINE more years in order to get anywhere close to the goal. This also means that I'll have to play this game long after it has been abandoned and in a state similar to PD:TH where finding a decent lobby is pretty hard.

The trophy also basically encourages you to play super easy difficulties in order to "grind" for it, and it also encourages "rambo-like" play styles that could very well mean the doom of your team on higher difficulties just because you wanted "One more kill", especially when a difficulty that requires top notch team work got added a day before the trophy.


As much as I like a challenge and having things to do, this number is simply ridiculous. I'm first and foremost a completionist and I already was denied from being able to collect every mask in the game thanks to exclusive masks crap like the Alienware pack and the Dozer mask (Because no way in hell I'm paying so much for something that's going to take a YEAR to ship, and the shipping prices are ridiculous anyway). I'm also unable to collect every weapon skin because they're sold a piece, in classic cancer-crate style.

OK I can ignore both things, I got burned twice, alright! But why in the hell can't I eventually get all the in game trophies? Shouldn't they require skill above everything else? Shouldn't they have realistic goals behind them? I'm glad that the "Guessing game" achievement is not also a trophy because it's one of the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ RNG achievements I've ever seen but the kill count trophy really takes the cake in terms of ridiculous stuff in this game. I don't think a single person here is going to get that trophy in the next 5 years, and that's being generous.

[DOY]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/10/350544272215429911/ Overkill is basically asking for 5000+ hours of dedicated play which is idiocy.

[Red]

I originally wanted to post it in the feedback section but I'd rather first see what's the opinion of the community, so I left it in the "discussion" section for now.

For the record, I have over 2K hours. It would take me 8000 more hours to reach the goal since I'm not the designated enforcer for the most part (I'm an objective and support player). Basically I'm getting utterly punished for actually caring about the objectives instead of spawn killing enemies.

and before anyone says "You don't have to complete the trophies", they're there for a reason. If an achievement has an unrealistic goal it's not an achievement, it's just an stain in your record to prevent you from ever getting 100% completion in a game, just like several hipster game developers do because "It's funny".

If you're going to add impossible objectives... Just don't. It's that simple.

[Noordoosten]

Originally posted by Rednavi:

I originally wanted to post it in the feedback section but I'd rather first see what's the opinion of the community, so I left it in the "discussion" section for now.

For the record, I have over 2K hours. It would take me 8000 more hours to reach the goal since I'm not the designated enforcer for the most part (I'm an objective and support player). Basically I'm getting utterly punished for actually caring about the objectives instead of spawn killing enemies.

and before anyone says "You don't have to complete the trophies", they're there for a reason. If an achievement has an unrealistic goal it's not an achievement, it's just an stain in your record to prevent you from ever getting 100% completion in a game, just like several hipster game developers do because "It's funny".

If you're going to add impossible objectives... Just don't. It's that simple.

I completly agree with you 600k kill is a crazy high number

[str8 up "ghoulin it"]

I'm not saying cheating is what anyone should do but this trophy is literally impossible unless you do nothing but kill cops for 5000 hours, come on OVERKILL, cut us slack on this.

[Noordoosten]

Originally posted by ARMS OUTSTRETCHED.:

I'm not saying cheating is what anyone should do but this trophy is literally impossible unless you do nothing but kill cops for 5000 hours, come on OVERKILL, cut us slack on this.

time to pull out the ol mg42 and ammo bags

[Wrecker10]

Nah you just need to be a better murderer. I don't know how close I am to the goal and it will be a long time until I get it... but all you gotta do is kill, kill, and kill some more. Might take awhile but I guess if you want the trophy you're gonna have to learn how to murder bro. I rarely leave a heist without putting a lot of cops into an early retirement... and grave. It's so much more fun that way. You gotta have no shame, no heart, you gotta find joy in killing, and the most important thing, you gotta have no remorse. Also, a heavy dose of hate always helps. But we must remember! Murder, just like lockpicking, is an art! You can't rush art!

[Toyfan1]

The reference is there. Not many people will care to know it.

What Number should it be changed to?

[str8 up "ghoulin it"]

Originally posted by Toyfan1: The Keyboard Warrior:

The reference is there. Not many people will care to know it.

What Number should it be changed to?

Maybe 10,000, 100,000 if you wanna be on the edge but not physically impossible for at least 90% of active players.

[Red]

Originally posted by MechaWasp:

Nah you just need to be a better murderer. I don't know how close I am to the goal and it will be a long time until I get it... but all you gotta do is kill, kill, and kill some more. Might take awhile but I guess if you want the trophy you're gonna have to learn how to murder bro. I rarely leave a heist without putting a lot of cops into an early retirement... and grave. It's so much more fun that way. You gotta have no shame, no heart, you gotta find joy in killing, and the most important thing, you gotta have no remorse. Also, a heavy dose of hate always helps. But we must remember! Murder, just like lockpicking, is an art! You can't rush art!

You have a total of 32543 kills in nearly 400 hours. It would take you 1200 hours in total just to reach around 98000 kills. In 4800 hours you'll be close to 400k kills, not even 2/3 done towards the goal.

To put it in a perspective you might understand better considering your last played games, it's less of a chore to boost your lily rank among every single possible team combination in every single Neptunia game on Steam at the same time than it is to ever reach a kill count close to 600k in PAYDAY 2.

Originally posted by Toyfan1: The Keyboard Warrior:

The reference is there. Not many people will care to know it.

What Number should it be changed to?

50000 kills is obscene enough. It would take 6 months with ease for a standard yet competent player, which means a person who ACTUALLY PLAYS THE GAME AS INTENDED AND DOES THE OBJECTIVES will eventually reach the goal, even if it takes him a year.

[BlackRibbon]

I like how they tried to pull a Dead Rising, but I agree that it is rediculous.

[BlackRibbon]

Originally posted by Toyfan1: The Keyboard Warrior:

The reference is there. Not many people will care to know it.

What Number should it be changed to?

The number of police in D.C. is a better number.

According to my math, that should be ~3797.39

[DoEFotGS]

Originally posted by Toyfan1: The Keyboard Warrior:

What Number should it be changed to?

Have around 110000 kills for 579 hours. But, seriously, I have 438/519 achievements right now and I got 20th level of infamy today.

I think 50000 is enough.

[Red]

Originally posted by Black Ribbon:

I like how they tried to pull a Dead Rising, but I agree that it is rediculous.

For the record, as super dense as the kill count achievements are in Dead Rising, once you know how to deal with them they're entirely possible to complete, if utterly boring, in a week's time should you not want to play for a really high amount of hours per day (Is not funny at all to drive forward and backwards for 6 hours straight).

PAYDAY 2 is not asking you for weeks of play here, but for YEARS.

[Diavolo]

It took me.. Umm, how many hours I got like 760 and something to get 115232 kills. Now the trophy shows 699/ 658893.. well, gonna be a long wayxD

[Wrecker10]

Originally posted by Rednavi:

Originally posted by MechaWasp:

Nah you just need to be a better murderer. I don't know how close I am to the goal and it will be a long time until I get it... but all you gotta do is kill, kill, and kill some more. Might take awhile but I guess if you want the trophy you're gonna have to learn how to murder bro. I rarely leave a heist without putting a lot of cops into an early retirement... and grave. It's so much more fun that way. You gotta have no shame, no heart, you gotta find joy in killing, and the most important thing, you gotta have no remorse. Also, a heavy dose of hate always helps. But we must remember! Murder, just like lockpicking, is an art! You can't rush art!

You have a total of 32543 kills in nearly 400 hours. It would take you 1200 hours in total just to reach around 98000 kills. In 4800 hours you'll be close to 400k kills, not even 2/3 done towards the goal.

To put it in a perspective you might understand better considering your last played games, it's less of a chore to boost your lily rank among every single possible team combination in every single Neptunia game on Steam at the same time than it is to ever reach a kill count close to 600k in PAYDAY 2.

Originally posted by Toyfan1: The Keyboard Warrior:

The reference is there. Not many people will care to know it.

What Number should it be changed to?

50000 kills is obscene enough. It would take 6 months with ease for a standard yet competent player, which means a person who ACTUALLY PLAYS THE GAME AS INTENDED AND DOES THE OBJECTIVES will eventually reach the goal, even if it takes him a year.

Yeah yeah I know what your saying. But I'm really not in a hurry to get this trophy, or any of them for that matter. I'm only going to get enough coins for the few parts of the safehouse I want to upgrade, after that I won't even bother to unlock trophies. Besides, I already got the shooting range and the killhouse which were the things I wanted most. After I get Dragan and Sokol's gym upgraded I'll be happy with that for a while. Maybe later on I'll try to get the garage upgraded... eventually.