Making Assault G3 Great Again

[Comnav45]

Let's face it guys the assault kit for the G3 is just plain horrible. Aside from the ammo boost, you get reduced damaged per shot with a 20 rd mag capacity, lower ammo pickup and a horrible gun model that really does not look that different from the base gun.

Here are some of my suggestions that way help improve the gun. For starters, some of the stats need to be changed this would involve reducing the stability, increasing concealability, increasing the firerate, and buffing the ammo pickup rate. Secondly, I would make it so the assault kit changes the overall gun model, just as the DMR kit does by reducing the mag and increasing the barrel profile, this change would involve an overall increase in mag size and capacity by 20rds or 40rd total and have a reduced barrel profile comparable to the Compact-5 which would make it similar to a reallife version of a HK51 or HK53 (videos of examples posted below). Lastly, while the assault kit is used the gun has access to Compact-5 foregrip and stock normal mods and from all other DLCs, but is restricted from using regular G3 foregrips and stocks. To get a better visual concept I am advocating for, check out the videos below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLmcZF39Cs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y49enBKsos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gowc3DT_nbQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh63SoYyEuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NptgWS2jVbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUiov-uim4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqV7tPufwzo

[cujo_xix]

Originally posted by Comnav45:

I hope Overkill would learn from the Scarface DLC and reduce the damage to 80 and add more ammo to the gun. Maybe have it 80rds/3 grenades that seems fair, so it is more of a battle rifle like the Falcon but with one mag less.

Maybe, just maybe they could make universal assault weapons kit for all guns. Gain an under GL but lose a mag or two in exchange. That could be sweet.

The grenade launcher is a HK79A1 which was a based of the HK 69A1. Videos of examples are below.

HK79A1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGfGxvjEgII

HK 69A1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhRuKygey1E

Well I temporarily won't make any comment about LF since I haven't bought and tried it yet, thanks for the reply. =)

[Fran$enlipper]

Found too, that the G3 needs much love and care. It was my main weapon in my military time and everyone who shoot that beauty in reality know what I mean. It's not that bad atm as a DMR. But it would be nice to see it also viable as an automatic fire weapon too.

[Comnav45]

Originally posted by =TBM= PHE$ Fran$enlipper:

Found too, that the G3 needs much love and care. It was my main weapon in my military time and everyone who shoot that beauty in reality know what I mean. It's not that bad atm as a DMR. But it would be nice to see it also viable as an automatic fire weapon too.

Glad you took notice of this thread. The G3 is so underrated in this game and can be made into about any configuration, second to only the AK or AR15 platforms. I really hope Overkill does some justice and adds more feature to it next year. It may be in an older DLC, but does not mean it should be neglected.

I agree with you on the DMR kit, it is OK on the G3. Granted a fast mag mod and being about to use the base level sniper rifle scope would be nice. It would interesting to see a DMR kit on other rifles, such as the Commando 550 or Heavy Eagle

[Malidictus]

I never even knew the Gewehr had an Assault Kit to begin with. What's perceived to be wrong with it? I've seen a lot of people criticise it in this thread, but I couldn't find a reason why.

[Gigomat]

the g3 has so many applications it's one of the most universal "battle" rifles. They were issued and improved in countless versions, from concealable smg/paratrooper style up to every other imagineable version to suit a certain purpose.
According to a friend of mine who spend a few years at the bundeswehr it is so powerful that you can literally shoot through trees with that thing. Though many improvements on recoil negation have been made over the years the very limitation that thing has in any version is that it demands a great amount of discipline to operate it on auto fire.

the assault kit version in pd2 has a ridiculously low ammo pickup, it's dmg ingame is decreased to ~40dmg and it's the worst assault rifle in the whole game in that regard. It's not conceilable (no para stock, short barrel, extended mag) and lacks the overall dmg because of its relatively low rate of fire.
The least ovk could have done is to adjust the ammo pickup - not to speak about providing the nescessary gimmicks that would make it a great rifle in the game. Why? because it is.

[[RAIDING] CAS]

The Gewehr 3 and the Falcon are almost twins, the Falcon already beats the Gewehr 3 thanks to a much faster reloading time. So if the Gewehr 3 gets a buff the Falcon needs to get one too because they are almost similar in their behaviour, statwise and ammo pickup rate.

So people who say make the Gewehr 3 great again, it will always stand in the shadow of the Falcon. In game the ammo pool is not much for higher difficulties and fit a dmr kit on it would make it even more worse......... we never use a Gewehr 3 because we pick a Falcon over it and even the Falcon is not loved by much for a reason because there are better weapons who do the job better and fit in more from heist to heist.

There is a niche who use the Falcon or Gewehr 3, like I am maybe the only one who takes a ak762 and krinkov every single time, my primary weapon of choice is the ak762, my secondary is the krinkov or very rarely the leo pistol and locomotive shotgun.

So even after a buff on the Gewehr 3 and Falcon they never will beat other weapons because they just fit in less, other weapons give more quality of life.

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

I never even knew the Gewehr had an Assault Kit to begin with. What's perceived to be wrong with it? I've seen a lot of people criticise it in this thread, but I couldn't find a reason why.

While it increases total ammo by 75 making you have a 175 total ammo rifle, it suffer from having the same multiplier that the DMR kit has, so you en up a worse pickup rate, for an rifle that now does 42 damage than for the base gun, and it keeps the 20 roung mag and reload speed from its battle rifle format, so its a reverse DMR kit with all the downsides and no real benefits.

I see no reason to buff falcon rifle as it has good stats, a extended mag, and decent reload, for me the G3 will probably stay diferent enought even with the buff so theres no reason to change the falcon

[Malidictus]

Originally posted by Christmas Bowie:

While it increases total ammo by 75 making you have a 175 total ammo rifle, it suffer from having the same multiplier that the DMR kit has, so you en up a worse pickup rate, for an rifle that now does 42 damage than for the base gun, and it keeps the 20 roung mag and reload speed from its battle rifle format, so its a reverse DMR kit with all the downsides and no real benefits.

Oh, ammo pick-up! Right! Though when you said that, I thought you meant to say that the weapon's ammo pick-up got reduced with the Assault Kit. That doesn't seem to be the case - it stays the exact same. However, it's also not increased any, which it really should be as a 40-damage rifle. The weapon gains ammo somewhere between a Light and a Medium rifle, but keeps the pick-up of a Heavy rifle. That does indeed seem very wrong.

OK, fair point. It seems to me like the Gewehr is worth having another look. If the DMR kit lowers the magazine down to 10 rounds, then the Assault Kit ought to increase the magazine up to at least 30. I'm not sure what to do with its ammo capacity, though. It ought to be either 150 like a Medium Rifle (which is what it has the stats of) or at least 220 like a Heavy Rifle. Ammo pick-up would need to go from 1% to 3.5% from 100 to 3% to 5.5% of 150, though I'm not sure what would be a good multiplier to do that. Probably can't get it exact under the circumstances, but it ought to get at least close.

I agree in general, though - there's no reason to use the Assault Kit over the regular gun. The extra ammo doesn't help when ammo pick-up is still low.

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

Originally posted by Christmas Bowie:

While it increases total ammo by 75 making you have a 175 total ammo rifle, it suffer from having the same multiplier that the DMR kit has, so you en up a worse pickup rate, for an rifle that now does 42 damage than for the base gun, and it keeps the 20 roung mag and reload speed from its battle rifle format, so its a reverse DMR kit with all the downsides and no real benefits.

Oh, ammo pick-up! Right! Though when you said that, I thought you meant to say that the weapon's ammo pick-up got reduced with the Assault Kit. That doesn't seem to be the case - it stays the exact same. However, it's also not increased any, which it really should be as a 40-damage rifle. The weapon gains ammo somewhere between a Light and a Medium rifle, but keeps the pick-up of a Heavy rifle. That does indeed seem very wrong.

OK, fair point. It seems to me like the Gewehr is worth having another look. If the DMR kit lowers the magazine down to 10 rounds, then the Assault Kit ought to increase the magazine up to at least 30. I'm not sure what to do with its ammo capacity, though. It ought to be either 150 like a Medium Rifle (which is what it has the stats of) or at least 220 like a Heavy Rifle. Ammo pick-up would need to go from 1% to 3.5% from 100 to 3% to 5.5% of 150, though I'm not sure what would be a good multiplier to do that. Probably can't get it exact under the circumstances, but it ought to get at least close.

I agree in general, though - there's no reason to use the Assault Kit over the regular gun. The extra ammo doesn't help when ammo pick-up is still low.

Sorry read again, it has the same multiplier that a DMR kit has, you end up with less ammo pickup than the base rifle, unlees it was chneged with these last patches

[Malidictus]

Originally posted by Christmas Bowie:

Sorry read again, it has the same multiplier that a DMR kit has, you end up with less ammo pickup than the base rifle, unlees it was chneged with these last patches

Must have changed at some point. The Assault Kit current has the same ammo pick-up as the base gun, and is also affected by both Walk-In Closet and Fully Loaded Aced. Not that it helps - it's still very low pick-up as compared to what a Light or Medium rifle would have. In fact, the DMR kit for the Gewehr 3 also has similar pick-up numbers as the AK.762 DMR. I've often heard that one being criticised for having ridiculously low pick-up, but that must have also been fixed at some point.

The AMR-16 DMR still has more pick-up than both, but that's because it has an 0.8 modifier on its pick-up vs. the Gewehr 3 DMR and AK.762 DMRs, which have an 0.5 modifier.

[Comnav45]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

I never even knew the Gewehr had an Assault Kit to begin with. What's perceived to be wrong with it? I've seen a lot of people criticise it in this thread, but I couldn't find a reason why.

I will give you a few reasons why people my find it lacking

- More ammo, less damage are ok, but having worst pickup rate compared to the standard and DMR versions not good
- The model for the assault kit only changes the barrel length and nothing else
- Mag capacity does not change to compensate for the lower damage of the assault kit
- Worst relaod time of all battle rifles coming close to 4s at empty
- The G3 comes in many configuration (see videos in thread) like the AK or AR, but we only get the bare bone versions with very few mods
- Cannot use mods from other guns within the same family such as the Compact5 foregrips and butstocks or Brenner 21 grips, nor use AR buttstocks (video below)
- Standard mods for G3 do not balance well


This is just a few complaints.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyxG7ek3X2s

[Comnav45]

Originally posted by RAIDING CAS:

The Gewehr 3 and the Falcon are almost twins, the Falcon already beats the Gewehr 3 thanks to a much faster reloading time. So if the Gewehr 3 gets a buff the Falcon needs to get one too because they are almost similar in their behaviour, statwise and ammo pickup rate.

So people who say make the Gewehr 3 great again, it will always stand in the shadow of the Falcon. In game the ammo pool is not much for higher difficulties and fit a dmr kit on it would make it even more worse......... we never use a Gewehr 3 because we pick a Falcon over it and even the Falcon is not loved by much for a reason because there are better weapons who do the job better and fit in more from heist to heist.

There is a niche who use the Falcon or Gewehr 3, like I am maybe the only one who takes a ak762 and krinkov every single time, my primary weapon of choice is the ak762, my secondary is the krinkov or very rarely the leo pistol and locomotive shotgun.

So even after a buff on the Gewehr 3 and Falcon they never will beat other weapons because they just fit in less, other weapons give more quality of life.

Not focused on the base model of the G3 only the assault kit mod. As a battle rifle they are both fine except for the long relaod time of the G3. The Falcon is very well balanced and you can get some better decent configurations with its mods. The Falcon just has more saving graces over the other battle rifles with it 40rd mag mod and well balanced mod stats. Falcon is a good example of a rifle done right.

Now the G3 assault kit that is a different matter. You get all the negative of a battle rifle, but with less damage. The only saving feature of the kit is the ammo gain. Since this is part of a a paid DLC, like the Falcon, this aspect should receive more attention for improvement. See videos in thread for suggestions to improving the gun, hint it does NOT involve a damage increase.

[Comnav45]

This suggestion for making the G3 great is very outlandish, but does really put the Little Friend to shame. A G3 with a 30 or 40 rd. mag and a 6 round grenade launcher, kiss aiming goodbye. Sorry no video only got an image on this version.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/24/MIA3_14.jpg/800px-MIA3_14.jpg

[Copy & Cat]

Seeing as overkill is very restrictive on adding content to old DLC i find the odds of they adding a new underbarrel GL just for the G3 very very unlikely, while i do hope they buff the mag size and give better stats to it's mod for variety sake

[Malidictus]

Originally posted by Christmas Bowie:

Seeing as overkill is very restrictive on adding content to old DLC i find the odds of they adding a new underbarrel GL just for the G3 very very unlikely, while i do hope they buff the mag size and give better stats to it's mod for variety sake

I don't expect to see new content for old DLCs. I do, however, expect to see numbers rebalances for old DLCs as we saw with the Broomstick... And as we're presumably going to see with the Broomstick again once Overkill QA realise they've forgotten to adjust its ammo pick-up.