[Skill] Change Desperado Ace

[SpritePony]

So while playing around with some builds on Overkill, I noticed that the effects of Aggressive Reload Ace stacked with itself.
So then I got to thinking. What would be nice to add that to? I remembered that it would work amazingly with Pistols.

So, here's my idea pitch. What if we changed Desperado Ace from "You reload all pistols 50% faster" to "Any killing headshot will increase your reload speed by 50% for 4 seconds. This can only be triggered by Pistols."? (Akimbo included.) I think it'd make pistols, outside of the FN Five-SeveN, a lot more viable. Especially the Peacemaker .45.

Thoughts?

[uNorthodoX]

Isn't that just making it Agressive Reload but triggered by pistols. It'll help out other weapons for sure, but I don't see it being an improvement to pistols from the current state it is right now

[SpritePony]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

Isn't that just making it Agressive Reload but triggered by pistols. It'll help out other weapons for sure, but I don't see it being an improvement to pistols from the current state it is right now

It is porting the skill of AR to pistols, yes. At a slight cost of reload speed, being 50% down from 115%.
I'm mostly spitballing to try and improve the pistols. Most are pretty crappy right now, and there isn't anything we can do about it because of Overkill's "balance."

[uNorthodoX]

Tbh changing it isn't really gonna be much of a buff to pistols IMO, since it's just Gunslinger aced that needs a trigger

[SpritePony]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

Tbh changing it isn't really gonna be much of a buff to pistols IMO, since it's just Gunslinger aced that needs a trigger

Well, if you stack a kill or three, your reload speed goes through the roof. I know this since I've chained kills using the Repeater (Yes, I'm that much of a mad man to use it.) and I've reloaded 10+ shots in a matter of seconds.
Sure, most pistols are mag fed, but it would at least be something for the poor singular pistol that everyone seems to hate.

[uNorthodoX]

So you're proposing it becomes 3 headshots = 150% reload speed or something along the lines of that, as in it stacks per headshot? I feel like that would make it a bit powerful for weapons like the Deagles and Revolvers (barring the peacemaker)

It seems like you suggested this as a buff to the peacemaker but put it in a pistol skilltree. I don't really think it's right to change a whole skill for just a single weapon, especially when it can make other pistols ridiculously more powerful

[Copy & Cat]

Any generic reload buff that would help peacemaker will still help other revolvers even more

[SpritePony]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

So you're proposing it becomes 3 headshots = 150% reload speed or something along the lines of that, as in it stacks per headshot? I feel like that would make it a bit powerful for weapons like the Deagles and Revolvers (barring the peacemaker)

It seems like you suggested this as a buff to the peacemaker but put it in a pistol skilltree. I don't really think it's right to change a whole skill for just a single weapon, especially when it can make other pistols ridiculously more powerful

You can say that about Aggressive Reload Ace as well. The perks would basically be the same, but it isn't on headshot. It's on headshot kill. Meaning you have to hit your mark on kill to get the bonus, thus you can't just look at a dozer, pop a few rounds, leave him alive and get a turbo reload.

Originally posted by Angel Terminator:

Any generic reload buff that would help peacemaker will still help other revolvers even more

See my previous bit. Skill would function the same as Aggressive Reload ace.

[uNorthodoX]

That doesn't change much, it'll still be ridiculously powerful on other pistols. You never exactly explained how it works either, does it stack? Does it have a significant difference compared to the current Desperado ace?


If it's just a 50% bonus on headshot kill, it's pretty much a direct downgrade, while being a stack would make it too powerful

If you're looking to buff the Peacemaker, buff the gun itself, don't change the skills

[Noo_Billy]

The main problme of Pistol not variable : 95% pistols have not enough ammo pick up rate.
Unless , all good ammo pick up rate weapons are nerfed , no matter how you change the pistol skill tree , less than 10% would like to use pistol as main weapon.

[SpritePony]

Originally posted by Noo_Billy:

The main problme of Pistol not variable : 95% pistols have not enough ammo pick up rate.
Unless , all good ammo pick up rate weapons are nerfed , no matter how you change the pistol skill tree , less than 10% would like to use pistol as main weapon.

Some pistols have good pick up rate. Some don't. Some have good rate of fire, some don't. Some have a good reload, a bunch don't. These are the main problems with pistols. They need another overhaul.

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

That doesn't change much, it'll still be ridiculously powerful on other pistols. You never exactly explained how it works either, does it stack? Does it have a significant difference compared to the current Desperado ace?


If it's just a 50% bonus on headshot kill, it's pretty much a direct downgrade, while being a stack would make it too powerful

If you're looking to buff the Peacemaker, buff the gun itself, don't change the skills

Well, the skills themselves are pretty crappy anyway. The only actually good ones are Equilibrium, Gunslinger, and Trigger Happy. And as I said, it works like Aggressive Reload ace. No kill, no bonus. Stacks, and has a set duration.

[uNorthodoX]

So you're saying a direct 50% reload speed upgrade for doing nothing isn't good enough? Compare it to shotguns which only get a 15% reload speed bonus, or to rifles which require the same skillpoint invesment and has a certain need to be fulfilled before use. Pistols already have a ridiculously fast reload speed, look at the medium pistols and deags. One thing they're lacking is ammo efficiency and RoF. If you made it so that it stacks like 150% or smth, it's just gonna be ridiculously powerful. Desperado ace is already a staple in most pistol builds

[Fugu]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

So you're saying a direct 50% reload speed upgrade for doing nothing isn't good enough? Compare it to shotguns which only get a 15% reload speed bonus, or to rifles which require the same skillpoint invesment and has a certain need to be fulfilled before use. Pistols already have a ridiculously fast reload speed, look at the medium pistols and deags. One thing they're lacking is ammo efficiency and RoF. If you made it so that it stacks like 150% or smth, it's just gonna be ridiculously powerful. Desperado ace is already a staple in most pistol builds

Shotguns have a 50% bonus for aced shotgun cqb which is only a tier 2 skill.

[uNorthodoX]

Originally posted by Fugu:

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

So you're saying a direct 50% reload speed upgrade for doing nothing isn't good enough? Compare it to shotguns which only get a 15% reload speed bonus, or to rifles which require the same skillpoint invesment and has a certain need to be fulfilled before use. Pistols already have a ridiculously fast reload speed, look at the medium pistols and deags. One thing they're lacking is ammo efficiency and RoF. If you made it so that it stacks like 150% or smth, it's just gonna be ridiculously powerful. Desperado ace is already a staple in most pistol builds

Shotguns have a 50% bonus for aced shotgun cqb which is only a tier 2 skill.

Whoops, my mistake

Still, most shotguns have horrendously slow reload times, unlike pistols

[SpritePony]

Originally posted by uNorthodoXgj:

Originally posted by Fugu:

Shotguns have a 50% bonus for aced shotgun cqb which is only a tier 2 skill.

Whoops, my mistake

Still, most shotguns have horrendously slow reload times, unlike pistols

Yeah, this is true. I'm just trying to find ways to make pistols more bearable. It's like either the tree needs an overhaul, the weapons themselves need an overhaul, or both. Especially the poor little colt .45. It's one of my two favorite revolvers. QQ
Oh well. Back to the drawing board of ideas.

[uNorthodoX]

With pistols, I'm pretty sure it's the weapons themselves. A lot of pistols need overhauls, just don't make them the god gun that is the Broomstick.

I think the Deagles and 60 damages could use a pickup tweak, the Deagles share a similar problem with Revolvers in the same way Battle Rifles and DMRs share a problem, one has exceedingly higher damage while not sacrificing much pickup rate