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Medicles Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:10pm 
No, they arent. Chaos, as much as any other stuff in that universe has good and bad sides. The chaos gods were actually quite mild back in the day and only got this aggressive because of the constant war in the galaxy.

There arent any good guys in the galaxy, the only ones that would come even close to being good guys are the Cabal.
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Gekko Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:15pm 
youtu.be.com looks legit
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austinshade Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:19pm 
Originally posted by Medicles:
No, they arent. Chaos, as much as any other stuff in that universe has good and bad sides. The chaos gods were actually quite mild back in the day and only got this aggressive because of the constant war in the galaxy.

There aren't any good guys in the galaxy, the only ones that would come even close to being good guys are the Cabal.
The Astarte's are the only good guys, to speak of anything else is heresy and punishable by death.
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Medicles Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:23pm 
Originally posted by austinshade:
The Astarte's are the only good guys, to speak of anything else is heresy and punishable by death.

I allow you to believe that, Mon-keigh.
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Ishan451 Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:34pm 
Why ever would i click on a video that is obviously this wrong? The mental gymnastics required to suggest that people that torture others and turn them into a flesh harp is not just Olympia worthy but require an absolute lack of brain or divine level of gymnastic skills.

It being absolute clickbait does the rest to ensure i won't ever click on that.
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Medicles Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:37pm 
Originally posted by Ishan451:
Why ever would i click on a video that is obviously this wrong? The mental gymnastics required to suggest that people that torture others and turn them into a flesh harp is not just Olympia worthy but require an absolute lack of brain or divine level of gymnastic skills.

It being absolute clickbait does the rest to ensure i won't ever click on that.

To be fair, Weshammer is a good boy, he has some good lore videos for people to start with the franchise.
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RobeRonin Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:47pm 
this was one time and ye its debatable who are the good guys and good guys is used very loosely as no one in 40 k are truly good ! but its 100% not the imperium of man who are the good guys humans are very much the bad guys! the tau and strangely the orks are the most aligned with good and chaotic good lol chaos was pretty much a pure entity before human and elder emotions tainted the warp and created the chaos gods lol but make no mistake those emotions caused them to become horrific monsters ! now nurgle is a interesting one as he represents life and death!
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AR | jedidethfreak Sep 24, 2024 @ 2:47pm 
Smells like heresy in here.
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iXin Sep 24, 2024 @ 3:15pm 
Originally posted by Ishan451:
Why ever would i click on a video that is obviously this wrong? The mental gymnastics required to suggest that people that torture others and turn them into a flesh harp is not just Olympia worthy but require an absolute lack of brain or divine level of gymnastic skills.

It being absolute clickbait does the rest to ensure i won't ever click on that.
Reading comprehension problems I see. It states it as a Question in the title of the video, which means "Are they the good guys?". The video itself explains exactly how the world works and that ultimately there are no good guys, the Chaos gods can become good if the races become good. But the reason the universe is fk'd beyond recognition is because of the Humans that created the Chaos gods (due to their plentifulness, same as Orcs and their gods etc), ultimately if Humans didn't exist, it could've been any other race.
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Brigs Sep 24, 2024 @ 3:18pm 
Originally posted by AR | jedidethfreak:
Smells like heresy in here.

was just about to say we have a heretic on our hands lol. The codex does not approve of his message.
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Ishan451 Sep 24, 2024 @ 3:50pm 
Originally posted by iXin:
Reading comprehension problems I see. It states it as a Question in the title of the video, which means "Are they the good guys?"

The question is clickbait and objectively there is no argument to could possibly be made if they could be the good guys, which makes the question farcical.

Given that you blame me for reading comprehension, i would return the favor, as i believe i was quite clear on that in my initial post.

Originally posted by iXin:
The video itself explains

Don't care what the video explains. The question is nonsense. There is not a sliver of possibility to even entertain the question as legit. It is entirely clickbait at best, and at worst a defense of the worst on a level like "Was the My Lai massacre a good thing?"

Originally posted by iXin:
because of the Humans that created the Chaos gods

Slaanesh says hello. Slaanesh is also, AFAIK, the only Chaos God which we actually have a source for.

Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch "awakening" to sapience during the Middle Ages is a 1st Edition thing from the Realm of Chaos book series, before the Reboot that turned 40k into what it is today. That is some outdated 1st Edition lore you are pandering there.

And if that is from the video, then it is worse than i expected it to be.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Realm_of_Chaos

Realm of Chaos books were superceeded by the Liber Chaotica about a decade later. And as it so happens i have both of them on my Shelf and the Liber Chaotica ascribes the creation of Khorne the "Norsemen" and not any Norsemen but the Warhammer Fantasy Norsemen (it also references other Chaos serving groups in WHF, like the Kurgan)... as the Book was released when Warhammer Fantasy still existed in the Warhammer 40k universe. This is no longer the case today.

Which means, based on the best information we have right now... either Khorne was created by some Humanoid Alien Race that are similar to Humans, but not quite (they most certainly weren't created by anyone living on Earth), or we don't know who or what created him.

And it is the same for the other 2 gods. The only Major God for which we still have a definite creation myth is Slaanesh and she was created by the Eldar.

Now, the Eldar attribute the existence of the Chaos Gods to the Humans, as their emotions fuel the Warp with the Energies they need to subsist, but i am unaware of any official source material that actually has up to date, non retconned information on the creation of the other 3 Chaos Gods.

Mind you, it is possible i am unaware of that, and if so... i would welcome a source. Not a video of some rando trying to make a buck on youtube by selling any scrap of lore they can find, no matter how non-cannon they are... and also not some licensed product like a Black Library Novel, where i would need to accept that C.S. Goto's work is cannon.. or the Dawn of War Novels with their Gaunts that are immune to Bolter rounds.... no, i mean an actual book published by Gamesworkshop proper, or at the very least a White Dwarf Issue.

Or... in short.. TL;DR: Citation needed.
Last edited by Ishan451; Sep 24, 2024 @ 4:01pm
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Mu'Ammar of Carthus Sep 24, 2024 @ 3:56pm 
If there's good guys in W40K, they're probably in a galaxy far away that's never been seen or even mentionned.
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Doomvora Sep 24, 2024 @ 4:03pm 
Nobody is good in a grimdark setting.
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Steelgrave Sep 24, 2024 @ 4:13pm 
HERESY? At THIS hour?

Brother, fetch me the flamer, the HEAVY flamer.
Last edited by Steelgrave; Sep 24, 2024 @ 4:13pm
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EvilJoshy Sep 24, 2024 @ 4:16pm 
In 40k, everyone is a bad guy. Some are just worse than others.
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