Can someone explain to me why Deathwatch is a disgrace?

[Reaptor]

Why do Ultramarines rank higher, when Deathwatch marines look so much more badass?

[dom]

引用自 KHAOS：

think of death watch like the nights watch from GOTs some astartes see it as a disgrace for something you did and others see it as an honorable place to serve but i could be wrong i don't know much lore about them as well but that's just my take on them.

In lore its not like that at all its like the exact opposite of how you are describing it, its an amazing honor to be picked for deathwatch

[Death a Barbar]

I swear some people lack the cognitive ability to understand simple sentences.

[EleventhStar]

引用自 Reaptor：

so is it like... a ruse then? Im confused about that.

they did the primaris surgery because he would have died from his injuries without it. it's not related to him serving in the deathwatch.

primaris (basically just better marines) are a new thing in 40k, titus is old enough that he was born long before primaris marines could be created.

some space marine chapters consider the deathwatch an honor, some a punishment, some just send people to the deathwatch to keep the inquisition from asking too many questions.

a blackshield means there is a reason you can't show what chapter send you to the deathwatch. and that is almost universally bad.

[Mu'Ammar of Carthus]

I've never touched anything W40K (wait, I did play SpaceHulk), but I think it's pretty easy to guess from context that it's basically like Game of Thrones' Night Watch

[Evoc]

Deathwatch is a great honor, no the game does not make it a disgrace, the black shields in the deathwatch are frowned upon. Normal deathwatch though is a great privilege and honor. They even mention it in the campaign, someone wishes to one day serve in the deathwatch

[Aldaris]

引用自 dom：

The death watch in lore is a great honor I dont know why the game is using it as a punishment usually vet marines get picked for deathwatch which is "elite" in lore due to them but it was never a punishment in lore

Deathwatch being an honour or punishment differs from chapter to chapter.

Being a Black Shield is the problem, but I this case it's a bit mixed up. Titus thought he was dishonoured so joined the Deathwatch as a Black Shield, but the chapter simply didn't know where he was. The real problem is his resistance to Chaos plus disappearing for so long and not everyone knowing the tule story casts him in doubt with significant parts of the chapter. All the leaders are ok with it though because they know his character and what happened to him.

[Madder Red]

引用自 dom：

引用自 KHAOS：

think of death watch like the nights watch from GOTs some astartes see it as a disgrace for something you did and others see it as an honorable place to serve but i could be wrong i don't know much lore about them as well but that's just my take on them.

In lore its not like that at all its like the exact opposite of how you are describing it, its an amazing honor to be picked for deathwatch

Deathwatch is one thing, being a Blackshield in the Deathwatch is another.

"A Deathwatch Black Shield or simply, a Black Shield, is a rare Astartes who has severed all bonds with his former Chapter and has purposely obscured his Chapter's heraldry. In effect, the battle-brother is abandoning his Chapter through self-imposed exile.

He then presents himself before a Watch Commander in order to petition for admittance to the Deathwatch. What little passes between the Watch Commander and the supplicant is kept forever secret between them, but it is uncommon for the Black Shield to reveal more than bare details other than his name and basic training.

The motivations for petitioning to join the ranks of the elite Deathwatch are many and varied, for no two supplicants share the same reasons for taking up the Black Shield. One universal trait is clear amongst Black Shields: a fierce determination to expunge the sins of their past through service in the Deathwatch.

The Black Shield then devotes his life to serving the Deathwatch and completing his own personal redemption, so that perhaps at some point he will consider himself worthy of bearing his Chapter badge again and even returning to his home Chapter once more."

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Deathwatch_Black_Shield

[EleventhStar]

引用自 Madder Red：

self-imposed exile

i dunno about self imposed. i wouldn't be surprised if there are a ton of people in titus situation: snagged up by the inquisition, declared dead and basically given the option more torture, death or deathwatch.

one also wonders why titus wasn't mindwiped.

[Chaoslord 87]

You can be a Blackshield for different reasons:
- you got outcasted from your chapter for a severe crime.
- being the last surviving member of your Chapter.
- your chapter fell to corruption or went renegade.
- etc.

The overriding theme in all these cases is to pay penance and receive redemption no matter how cruel or suicidal your missions are.

[EmperorVolo]

The original recruits for this newly created elite force were drawn from the survivors of the various Chapters who took part in the initial invasion of The Beast's capital world of Ullanor. These Chapters suffered severe losses during the invasion. Thus standing in vigil over their fallen brethren, the seeds of the Deathwatch were sown.

It's kind of like that wall in Game of Thrones.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Deathwatch

[NightHowler81]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSB6JrP--F4

[Reaptor]

引用自 Death a Barbar：

I swear some people lack the cognitive ability to understand simple sentences.

What do you mean? I'm not a huge Warhammer fan and it wasn't really explained what the Deathwatch was in this game.

[Reaptor]

引用自 Mu'Ammar of Carthus：

I've never touched anything W40K (wait, I did play SpaceHulk), but I think it's pretty easy to guess from context that it's basically like Game of Thrones' Night Watch

I didn't watch or read GoT

[Karak Sonen]

引用自 Reaptor：

引用自 Born2Dive：

He was a Blackshield. That's as close as you can get to an outright traitor among the Astartes. Nobody knows what you did, but it means you screwed up real bad somewhere.

and that's all simply because he was immune to the chaos in the first game? That seems... hyperbole.

Hyperbole? Titus got off pretty well considering irregularities when it comes to the Warp usually end with a Bolt through the Brain.. and a few more in the body, to make sure there is nothing that a Daemon could spawn out of.

[Mints]

引用自 Reaptor：

Why do Ultramarines rank higher, when Deathwatch marines look so much more badass?

On the contrary, Deathwatch service is highly respected among most Space Marine chapters and only their best are seconded to the Ordo Xenos. Blackshields are disgraced because they've abandoned their chapter for various reasons, which is why they no longer bear its colors or icons. Some were loyalists of traitor legions that survived the Istvaan massacres. Some fled or were ejected from their Chapters for various reasons, most of which were shameful or suspicious. Having a Blackshield in a Kill Team is sometimes considered a bad omen. Keep in mind what happens to Titus' squad.