Gameplay Design is hot garbage

[tyke]

This game is very impressive in aspects of the models, the art design, parts of the feel of the combat, it obviously is a game that a lot of very talented individuals worked on.

But the individuals responsible for the gameplay design, and for the level design, the enemy design, and structure of the game, obviously have next to no idea what they're doing. The cues that the player is given don't match the rest of the combat, they don't match the abilities of block and dodge, the timing of everything is just wrong, the cues focused on are all wrong.

The gameplay in this, how dodge is designed, how block is designed, how the enemies are designed, and of all these stupid 90s Capcom arcade things flashing all over the screen to dodge and block (which don't make the mistake of thinking that those are the only times to dodge and block), is all ass.

And the level design is abhorrent so far, it's just full of little gimmick sections and tech demo crap

[The Dess 2023 GOTY Edition]

Publicado originalmente por BigJ:

Publicado originalmente por .Brotherblood.:

its bad game design when the lowest basic ♥♥♥♥♥ mook takes an entire armor bar when you only get 2-3 and theres 50+ of them not including elites, tell me how the ♥♥♥♥ a tzanagor is doing that much damage to a fully armored space marine, dont make sense, or a an autogun shooting like 55.6 lmao, there isnt really the power fantasy of being a space marine when i have to tip toe around the "weakest" enemies.

its perfectly fine for majoris enemies and warriors and what not. but come on dude, theres gotta be some give. your really gonna sit here and tell me this game is perfect the way it is right now?

You can just swing against minoris enemies. Contested hp exists, Tzaangors may be a bit harder as they are more agressive, but parrying into making space works, I suggest you read what Tyranids do to space marines on the regular.

It ain't perfect, assault has issues atm, we have many lacking basic features and currently whip Majoris enemies can only be parried by fencing weapons.

As well as several talents that just are useless.

But no game difficulty is not an issue currently. Specially when yellows exist and mop.

Hard disagree. Veteran mode in the campaign is nigh on unplayable. I have given so many instances of the game literally throwing all the enemies at you all at once which causes you to take so many his you die in seconds. SECONDS.

I am supposed to be playing a space marine, not an imperial guadrsman. Pray tell, how exactly do you survive an encounter where a zoanthrope is throwing fire balls at you, you are already getting kill boxed by ranged units just behind said zoanthrope, the melee critters are already around you and two of the whip throwing elites are in front of you? Bonus? There are those rat line thingies already encircling you waiting for the next second to pile up and bum rush your way?

This happened so many times and I just die in seconds when THEY ALL ATTACK AT ONCE leaving to throw my hands in the air asking what the honesty ♥♥♥♥ was I supposed to do to survive that??!

Nah man, the game design is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The Devs need to buff armour STAT, and royally to compensate. The bolter guns also need MASSIVE buffing to kill enemies. They are little to no different than Las guns.

[-GK- Paladin]

Publicado originalmente por The Dess 2023 GOTY Edition:

Publicado originalmente por BigJ:

(saving space)

(saving space)

It is a skill issue. I'm playing on Angel of Death, it is possible. I just finished fighting Neothrope and working my way through start of Chaos. It is totally doable, it just comes down to your own ability and dedication or lack of it. (And I did it with bots on top of it all.)

[Brother Blood]

Publicado originalmente por BigJ:

Publicado originalmente por .Brotherblood.:

its bad game design when the lowest basic ♥♥♥♥♥ mook takes an entire armor bar when you only get 2-3 and theres 50+ of them not including elites, tell me how the ♥♥♥♥ a tzanagor is doing that much damage to a fully armored space marine, dont make sense, or a an autogun shooting like 55.6 lmao, there isnt really the power fantasy of being a space marine when i have to tip toe around the "weakest" enemies.

its perfectly fine for majoris enemies and warriors and what not. but come on dude, theres gotta be some give. your really gonna sit here and tell me this game is perfect the way it is right now?

You can just swing against minoris enemies. Contested hp exists, Tzaangors may be a bit harder as they are more agressive, but parrying into making space works, I suggest you read what Tyranids do to space marines on the regular.

It ain't perfect, assault has issues atm, we have many lacking basic features and currently whip Majoris enemies can only be parried by fencing weapons.

As well as several talents that just are useless.

But no game difficulty is not an issue currently. Specially when yellows exist and mop.

You should also read the parts where the same tyranids we are facing are killed with las guns by the imperial guard, e the Caiphas cain books, if you want to talk about lore then the maajority of these enemies should be going down with single bolt rounds to the head/body

[Sigismound]

Publicado originalmente por Gonsnakex:

I agree man. I regret paying for the gold version tbh, I am finding the campaign very repetitive, with very bad level design and same enemies over and over. The graphics and art is incredible, the game looks spectacular but the gameplay just isnt there. I am halfway through the campaign and I dont want to continue playing basically because I feel I have already seen what the game offers. Such a shame

i agree with you mate

[Revilar]

Publicado originalmente por Tullus:

Publicado originalmente por Gonsnakex:

I agree man. I regret paying for the gold version tbh, I am finding the campaign very repetitive, with very bad level design and same enemies over and over. The graphics and art is incredible, the game looks spectacular but the gameplay just isnt there. I am halfway through the campaign and I dont want to continue playing basically because I feel I have already seen what the game offers. Such a shame

i agree with you mate

I'm with you both as well. Though at a little over 3 hours so far, I don't think I'll get a refund, especially considering I've refunded the last 2 games I've bought as well.

Very disappointed so far.

[Szarekh the Silent King]

Vermintide is good game compare to Space Marine? LMAO!
I owe Vermintide 2 and since there's no PvP it's worse than SM2.
Not to mention it broke my sound drivers TWICE, forcing me to uninstall it and redownload sound drivers. That's definetly NOT an example of a good game.

[Wigsplitta]

guys, get good, please

[fx57]

I worry about the longevity of the game.

[Glu Vortex]

If y'all want to understand the author just play on the hardest difficulty where you would need the game to be actually good. I started with angel of death and I'll finish the game that way , with that said the author is right SM2 makes no sense and is truly outdated . With that said I understand people wanting a braindead thing where they can just mash and see cool ♥♥♥♥ , it's fine and that is what it is. (PS: I'm still rolling on the game despite the horrendous balance so y'all better not @ me with the get good , goofs.)

[Szarekh the Silent King]

Publicado originalmente por fx57:

I worry about the longevity of the game.

Looks ok for now but we need more maps.
And they should bring back Dreadnought maps too.

[Glu Vortex]

Publicado originalmente por The Dess 2023 GOTY Edition:

Publicado originalmente por BigJ:

You can just swing against minoris enemies. Contested hp exists, Tzaangors may be a bit harder as they are more agressive, but parrying into making space works, I suggest you read what Tyranids do to space marines on the regular.

It ain't perfect, assault has issues atm, we have many lacking basic features and currently whip Majoris enemies can only be parried by fencing weapons.

As well as several talents that just are useless.

But no game difficulty is not an issue currently. Specially when yellows exist and mop.

Hard disagree. Veteran mode in the campaign is nigh on unplayable. I have given so many instances of the game literally throwing all the enemies at you all at once which causes you to take so many his you die in seconds. SECONDS.

I am supposed to be playing a space marine, not an imperial guadrsman. Pray tell, how exactly do you survive an encounter where a zoanthrope is throwing fire balls at you, you are already getting kill boxed by ranged units just behind said zoanthrope, the melee critters are already around you and two of the whip throwing elites are in front of you? Bonus? There are those rat line thingies already encircling you waiting for the next second to pile up and bum rush your way?

This happened so many times and I just die in seconds when THEY ALL ATTACK AT ONCE leaving to throw my hands in the air asking what the honesty ♥♥♥♥ was I supposed to do to survive that??!

Nah man, the game design is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The Devs need to buff armour STAT, and royally to compensate. The bolter guns also need MASSIVE buffing to kill enemies. They are little to no different than Las guns.

Checkpoint scam will get you throught the whole game on angel of death difficulty , it's broken on all aspects , you just need to be determined , and weight whether or not it's worth (for me it's not but I dislike game that don't challenge me in any way and I already paid so I gotta make something of this)

[Peppe_LePeu]

i enjoy this game - yes ill play Darktide as well but despite having hordes of enemies they are different feelings. i like the space marine feel, the weightier feel behind my attacks here. is it perfect? no but its fun.

darktide has its own appeal, it doesnt hold me as long but its a great horde game

[Salty Sis' 4U]

Publicado originalmente por ***:

If it's so good why both vermintide and darktide are dead games ? even very old coop games like left 4 dead 2 and killing floor have way more players, strange

you're shilling for dead games

They ain't dead, folks are waiting for the Itemization patch; nobody likes the current item system. We have a hard date on it, so we wait.

[Master of Pronouns]

Publicado originalmente por Дед Дилдай:

Publicado originalmente por tyke:

but for how long?

Probably for another week then I'll go back to warframe

Imagine playing warframe lol

[BigJ]

Publicado originalmente por .Brotherblood.:

Publicado originalmente por BigJ:

You can just swing against minoris enemies. Contested hp exists, Tzaangors may be a bit harder as they are more agressive, but parrying into making space works, I suggest you read what Tyranids do to space marines on the regular.

It ain't perfect, assault has issues atm, we have many lacking basic features and currently whip Majoris enemies can only be parried by fencing weapons.

As well as several talents that just are useless.

But no game difficulty is not an issue currently. Specially when yellows exist and mop.

You should also read the parts where the same tyranids we are facing are killed with las guns by the imperial guard, e the Caiphas cain books, if you want to talk about lore then the maajority of these enemies should be going down with single bolt rounds to the head/body

As usual depends on writer. 2 shots take down any minoris threat with artifact level weapons.