The heretic legions debacle - make your voice heard

[Payton Of Dion]

Sad to hear about how they are mishandling the traitor legions. Will be canceling my pre-order and not repurchasing until they rectify this and I urge everyone else with this to make yourself very vocal

the situation: Yesterday they announced that heretic legions will be tied to specific classes in pvp and not be able to customize armor. This is a stark contrast to what was in sm1 and a huge let down to heretic Astartes fans. The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp and this is removing most customization from one side while keeping it for the other.

this is where you vote to make sure it gets in the game https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/ideas/127-let-players-pick-for-every-classes-the-chaos-space-marines-legions-which-they-want?page=1

[Icevenom]

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp

Not in this lifetime.
But good luck with your endeavour (no sarcasm).

[Nix]

Imagine reading this:

"Heretic Astartes characters can also be customized for your PvP matches! Each class corresponds to a specific Traitor Legion (for example, Assault will always be represented by a Night Lords Raptor), but you can change the colours and apply different emblems."

And thinking you can't customize heretic astartes. You can absolutely change their color and emblems and in all but name be any traitor legion or hell, you could paint your heretics like ultrasmurfs. There is nothing in here that says you can't change their armor as well.

[Payton Of Dion]

Originally posted by Icevenom:

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp

Not in this lifetime.
But good luck with your endeavour (no sarcasm).

nobody is going to play the campaign over and over and over and over again. That just doesn't happen. Pvp and selling cosmetics is what sustains long running games. Idk what you're on about.

[Payton Of Dion]

Originally posted by Nix:

Imagine reading this:

"Heretic Astartes characters can also be customized for your PvP matches! Each class corresponds to a specific Traitor Legion (for example, Assault will always be represented by a Night Lords Raptor), but you can change the colours and apply different emblems."

And thinking you can't customize heretic astartes. You can absolutely change their color and emblems and in all but name be any traitor legion or hell, you could paint your heretics like ultrasmurfs. There is nothing in here that says you can't change their armor as well.

you can change colors and emblems. You cant change ANY addons or armor pieces which you can do for the loyalist factions. Ive read the post and watch several videos on it. You simply cannot do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek6rhATDz2I

basically what you're saying is:
"oh you want to play a world eater but also want to play bulwark? well just change the color and add an emblem" you know damn well its not the same thing. You wont have the we korn helm, skulls or anything else that makes we a distinct legion. You are advocating for lazy development with less features and stand to gain nothing from it.
imagine them saying if you want to play salamanders you have to play assault because salamanders is the assault class. Same thing, makes 0 sense.

[Banebladerunner]

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

Sad to hear about how they are mishandling the traitor legions. Will be canceling my pre-order and not repurchasing until they rectify this and I urge everyone else with this to make yourself very vocal

the situation: Yesterday they announced that heretic legions will be tied to specific classes in pvp and not be able to customize armor. This is a stark contrast to what was in sm1 and a huge let down to heretic Astartes fans. The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp and this is removing most customization from one side while keeping it for the other.

So you want to avoid this game with cool campaign and coop missions just because some stupid cosmetic stuff in 1/3 part of the game? What a childish behaviour

[2D > 3D WEEB 4 LIFE]

I suppose that's just another classic GW moment where the company decides to die on the most pointless hill instead of pretending that the CSMs are just some random "recruits" from unheard rogue chapters lost to time.

At least there's the possibility that the Chaos classes will receive more templates but it's lame either way if one side has worse customization for whatever arbitrary reason.

[Payton Of Dion]

Originally posted by 2D > 3D WEEB 4 LIFE:

I suppose that's just another classic GW moment where the company decides to die on the most pointless hill instead of pretending that the CSMs are just some random "recruits" from unheard rogue chapters lost to time.

At least there's the possibility that the Chaos classes will receive more templates but it's lame either way if one side has worse customization for whatever arbitrary reason.

100% agree. My hope is they will receive the feedback and add more and revert the choice to lock chapters to classes

[Payton Of Dion]

Originally posted by Artemy:

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

Sad to hear about how they are mishandling the traitor legions. Will be canceling my pre-order and not repurchasing until they rectify this and I urge everyone else with this to make yourself very vocal

the situation: Yesterday they announced that heretic legions will be tied to specific classes in pvp and not be able to customize armor. This is a stark contrast to what was in sm1 and a huge let down to heretic Astartes fans. The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp and this is removing most customization from one side while keeping it for the other.

So you want to avoid this game with cool campaign and coop missions just because some stupid cosmetic stuff in 1/3 part of the game? What a childish behaviour

childish behavior? Or having standards. I have the right not support something with my time and hard earned money if its not up to my standard especially if its less than the previous game. I may play the campaign MAYBE twice, the coop missions will get old fast. You need to self evaluate before you look down on other people.

[Banebladerunner]

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

Originally posted by Artemy:

So you want to avoid this game with cool campaign and coop missions just because some stupid cosmetic stuff in 1/3 part of the game? What a childish behaviour

childish behavior? Or having standards. I have the right not support something with my time and hard earned money if its not up to my standard especially if its less than the previous game. I may play the campaign MAYBE twice, the coop missions will get old fast. You need to self evaluate before you look down on other people.

you say you have standarts meanwhile you spent hundreds of your precious hours in underbaked ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games like darktide, fallout 76 and evolve. Ironic

[Heroine Nisa]

Considering most of the promotional material focuses entirely on the PvE, no. PvP will not be the life blood for the game. Its an extra mode for those who want it.

[Payton Of Dion]

Originally posted by Artemy:

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

childish behavior? Or having standards. I have the right not support something with my time and hard earned money if its not up to my standard especially if its less than the previous game. I may play the campaign MAYBE twice, the coop missions will get old fast. You need to self evaluate before you look down on other people.

you say you have standarts meanwhile you spent hundreds of your precious hours in underbaked ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games like darktide, fallout 76 and evolve. Ironic

we all have PERSONAL tastes. If you are personally offended by mine I urge you to stop caring about the opinion of someone you've never met. If you disagree with me cool, go play the game. I don't care. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at me on a forum because you have a contrasting opinion benefits no one.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers." ~Socrates.

[Payton Of Dion]

Originally posted by Heroine Nisa:

Considering most of the promotional material focuses entirely on the PvE, no. PvP will not be the life blood for the game. Its an extra mode for those who want it.

there have been plenty of promotional material on the pvp and strike missions.
You dont make any sense.
People don't play campaigns more than a couple times on average.
In the current gaming market, a huge amount of revenue comes from customization sales
for the longevity of a game's support, it needs consistent income, which is made through cosmetic sales

think about this. Halo, cod, gears. What do they all have in common?
they all had a campaign which people loved but beat maybe once or twice but played the multiplayer for YEARS

you also cant have a competitive scene around just a campaign dude.

why is fort nite the most played game in the world?... its not for the campaign. Same for minecraft.. But what do they both have for their multiplayer modes? Cosmetic sales. Think.

[BigTOMO]

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

Sad to hear about how they are mishandling the traitor legions. Will be canceling my pre-order and not repurchasing until they rectify this and I urge everyone else with this to make yourself very vocal

the situation: Yesterday they announced that heretic legions will be tied to specific classes in pvp and not be able to customize armor. This is a stark contrast to what was in sm1 and a huge let down to heretic Astartes fans. The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp and this is removing most customization from one side while keeping it for the other.

This is a campaign game for Space Marines, not Traitor Marines. Do you understand?
Why do fanboys always ask about Chaos Marines? It's just annoying and disruptive. This is what makes the game look bad.
PvP mode is just an additional mode, damn it. Hell Driver 2 doesn't have PvP; it only has PvE and continues to receive major updates and events regularly.
SP2 is launching as a live service game similar to Hell Driver 2, which focuses primarily on PvE. You can see this from the PvP mode with 6v6 players. And yes, it's not a game focused on selling itself as an FPS. If you’re looking to buy a game for FPS, I think this one might not be suitable for you. Confused fanboys
What you should be asking isn’t about PvP; it’s not about the marketing of SP2. It’s about PvE live service like Hell Divers 2. You should be asking whether, when the game is released, the roadmap and development plans will be timely and meet players' expectations. Will there be timely updates, fixes, and new maps without the money-grubbing behavior like EA? That’s what you should be asking.

[Kharnzor]

Originally posted by Artemy:

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

childish behavior? Or having standards. I have the right not support something with my time and hard earned money if its not up to my standard especially if its less than the previous game. I may play the campaign MAYBE twice, the coop missions will get old fast. You need to self evaluate before you look down on other people.

you say you have standarts meanwhile you spent hundreds of your precious hours in underbaked ♥♥♥♥♥♥ games like darktide, fallout 76 and evolve. Ironic

Dont attack the man attack the argument

[Jack Carter]

Originally posted by Faust_Liber:

Sad to hear about how they are mishandling the traitor legions. Will be canceling my pre-order and not repurchasing until they rectify this and I urge everyone else with this to make yourself very vocal

the situation: Yesterday they announced that heretic legions will be tied to specific classes in pvp and not be able to customize armor. This is a stark contrast to what was in sm1 and a huge let down to heretic Astartes fans. The lifeblood of this game's sustainability will be pvp and this is removing most customization from one side while keeping it for the other.

I think it will come. I remember SM1 which had good customisation for its time and PC capabilities and the multiplayer bit lasted a long time so I think this will happen here. In the end they can't do everything at launch so we will see. My bet is that Chaos stuff will come as part of season passes later down the line with the goal in my view of keeping this going as long as possible.

imo - best way to support this is buy the game and play it. Encourage it to be a success and the rest will follow. The game is the game at this point and whilst I would encourage you to spend your money as to how you see fit holding your cash back in some kind of protest is somewhat futile and actually strangles what you are hoping to achieve but as I said and believe, that's your call.