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[Sköll]

Can't delete so I'll just change to this instead. Planetside isn't worth the time, effort, or energy to care about after it's horrific mistreatment and the unreasonable community that made playing and talking about it insufferable.

[Bruva Guren]

yeaaah thats how it generally goes with zergfits
ironically killing the game

[DC| TehAgent]

Big Mad Energy

It has been this way for the entire history of the game. There has *always* been at least one Outfit that destroys when they get on.

I havent played in a while and play all factions; all three ASP 100 and almost got there with NSO before I finally quit forever. (Sunderer Update was as dumb as it gets) Never had any real issues seeing NFFN around. While not my cup of tea, they sound organized and fun.

[Cruddy]

Its the nature of long lifespan PvP games and always has been, sweatlords complain they have no new blood, but when newbies get on to try the game they continue to go sweaty and end up driving said new players away instead of letting them learn in a healthy way. I've seen it happen dozens of times and it will likely never stop, would be nice if they could get some kind of temporary new player server but the game being F2P would likely mean tons of smurfing would go on there.

[Bruva Guren]

Originally posted by Cruddy:

Its the nature of long lifespan PvP games and always has been, sweatlords complain they have no new blood, but when newbies get on to try the game they continue to go sweaty and end up driving said new players away instead of letting them learn in a healthy way. I've seen it happen dozens of times and it will likely never stop, would be nice if they could get some kind of temporary new player server but the game being F2P would likely mean tons of smurfing would go on there.

They had a newbie continent, many complained they wanted to go straight real action, so they 'locked' it

[Valkyrienyanko]

It's hard to believe anything you said because R18 is actually a really chill outfit.

[Sköll]

Originally posted by Valkyrienyanko:

It's hard to believe anything you said because R18 is actually a really chill outfit.

Tell that to the staff who had to nuke their entire leadership due to rampant racism and bigoted content being spread both in their communities and in game. Not just jokes, either.

[Bruva Guren]

Originally posted by Valkyrienyanko:

It's hard to believe anything you said because R18 is actually a really chill outfit.

From someone that played on Briggs and Connery. No, they were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insufferable.

[Shortpower]

Originally posted by Valkyrienyanko:

It's hard to believe anything you said because R18 is actually a really chill outfit.

Picard brother is estranged from him due to Picard being a PoS.

Picard justified harassing me because "he was the victim of other people making fun of his zergfit" I've still got the pictures saved somewhere, genuinely wild justifications on his part.

Their entire outfit runs ops during off hours, while gloating with 80/20 overpop that everyone else sucks.

[Sköll]

Originally posted by Shortpower:

Originally posted by Valkyrienyanko:

It's hard to believe anything you said because R18 is actually a really chill outfit.

Picard brother is estranged from him due to Picard being a PoS.

Picard justified harassing me because "he was the victim of other people making fun of his zergfit" I've still got the pictures saved somewhere, genuinely wild justifications on his part.

Their entire outfit runs ops during off hours, while gloating with 80/20 overpop that everyone else sucks.

At least NFFN runs at peak hours, which is more than I can say for R18. The problem is both of them still kill the new player experience when they're online. I get it, this is a combined arms game but with less than 1,000 PEAK players across every single server where alerts often happen because they're forced by game timer, not even population or score because so few people are playing, zergfits actively make people not want to play.

The biggest problem is that people not on NC when NFFN are running are fighting what is effectively a private military group with skills and tactics that far exceed casual play. And anyone that IS on NC while they're active has to fight a faction balance queue because nobody wants to be on the losing team, on top of the fact that everyone else not on NC logs off because they don't want to fight NFFN. It's a lose/lose for the game regardless.

Ultimately there is no way to solve the problem. Asking them to stop playing the game how they want is stupid and I won't pretend like it's a good thing to ask. But it DOES harm the game's health, and does hurt what is already a low player count and dying game as it is. There is no real solution to the problem that isn't directly in the hands of NFFN to simply stop their operations and treating the game like Arma III, which they will never do.

[Youngling Slayer]

Holding capture points as a group is merely the way PlanetSide 2 is played in the current era. Players are not obligated to nerf themselves to make the game fun. I can think of a number of outfits that use the same tactics far better than NFFN.

Also, nobody in NFFN cheats and while there surely are some bad apples, they are pretty low on the toxicity spectrum compared to other outfits.

[HPLaserjetWirelessPrinter]

Outfits? using soft hacks? Nooooo I'm so shocked.

[Sköll]

Originally posted by Youngling Slayer:

Holding capture points as a group is merely the way PlanetSide 2 is played in the current era. Players are not obligated to nerf themselves to make the game fun. I can think of a number of outfits that use the same tactics far better than NFFN.

Also, nobody in NFFN cheats and while there surely are some bad apples, they are pretty low on the toxicity spectrum compared to other outfits.

Of course they are allowed to play as they want, and I already said in my last comment in this thread than I wouldn't ask them to stop playing the way they want. But you cannot deny that it DOES hurt the game in that new players and casuals simply cannot compete, causing player numbers to drop for the faction NFFN is not currently operating on, which leads to queue times and bad fights.

They can play the game however they want, but that kind of cohesion will eventually lead to people just saying "It isn't worth playing anymore."

[Youngling Slayer]

Originally posted by Shrimply A Krill Issue:

Originally posted by Youngling Slayer:

Holding capture points as a group is merely the way PlanetSide 2 is played in the current era. Players are not obligated to nerf themselves to make the game fun. I can think of a number of outfits that use the same tactics far better than NFFN.

Also, nobody in NFFN cheats and while there surely are some bad apples, they are pretty low on the toxicity spectrum compared to other outfits.

Of course they are allowed to play as they want, and I already said in my last comment in this thread than I wouldn't ask them to stop playing the way they want. But you cannot deny that it DOES hurt the game in that new players and casuals simply cannot compete, causing player numbers to drop for the faction NFFN is not currently operating on, which leads to queue times and bad fights.

They can play the game however they want, but that kind of cohesion will eventually lead to people just saying "It isn't worth playing anymore."

I absolutely agree that the current meta is painful to play. I have mostly stopped playing solo during prime time because of it.

That said, cohesive groups have always dominated PS2 and I don't see that ever changing. NFFN is just one outfit among many who do coordinated ops/pointholds. There are far bigger fish.

Basically your options are:
-join a pointholding outfit like them
-only play outside of prime time

[Sköll]

Originally posted by Youngling Slayer:

Originally posted by Shrimply A Krill Issue:

Of course they are allowed to play as they want, and I already said in my last comment in this thread than I wouldn't ask them to stop playing the way they want. But you cannot deny that it DOES hurt the game in that new players and casuals simply cannot compete, causing player numbers to drop for the faction NFFN is not currently operating on, which leads to queue times and bad fights.

They can play the game however they want, but that kind of cohesion will eventually lead to people just saying "It isn't worth playing anymore."

I absolutely agree that the current meta is painful to play. I have mostly stopped playing solo during prime time because of it.

That said, cohesive groups have always dominated PS2 and I don't see that ever changing. NFFN is just one outfit among many who do coordinated ops/pointholds. There are far bigger fish.

Basically your options are:
-join a pointholding outfit like them
-only play outside of prime time

I've decided to do the latter, if I even decide to play the game at all. There is a happy medium between playing off hours and peak hours, somewhere in the middle during the week day. Early in the morning on weekends is usually the best time to play, since only the casuals are on.

And no, this is the way the game is and likely will remain. Large, cohesive groups will always exist and dominate, which unfortunately does harm the community at large and prevent it from growing. Rust suffers the same problem, and massive clans will always dominate vanilla servers leaving casual players to pick up the scraps, if they even can at all.

I would be willing to bet if this kind of massive group cohesion was less prevalent and more casual, Planetside would have grown beyond it's <1000 player base it never seemed to break past. Maybe then nobody would even want Miller to merge with another server, because it too would be full.

Whether people want to admit it or not, making a game more casual DOES welcome growth. And not the "Let's add an instant win button to Cuphead because journalists can't press two buttons at the same time" kind of casual, but the "There is a massive competitive imbalance of people who want to enjoy the game and people who want to be the best at it." And they're made to constantly fight each other, as Planetside is an open world setting with no matchmaking or ability to fight other players with equal skill or cohesion. CS:GO is different in that your rank is directly correlated to your skill, with competitive and casual being two different sections of the game. But Planetside does not have a divide, so the milsim larping zergfits and the casual 7AM-7PM who just wants to enjoy the game will always be pitted against each other, and will make the casuals not want to play the game.

[Pervy]

Originally posted by Valkyrienyanko:

It's hard to believe anything you said because R18 is actually a really chill outfit.

Expect when they are not chill, and is awful people.