Does this game have a PvE mode yet?

[Weylin]

Not really interested in the PvP stuff for reasons too numerous to list.
Might try the game again if there's a map that pits the 3 factions into an alliance against an asymmetric threat. Bugs, rogue NS hardware, hostile wildlife both big and small, take your pick, doesn't matter.

The fundamental problem with PvP is that everything needs to be balanced with that in mind, and so you are left with a situation that can't have anything too novel or it will upset players. With PvE you can go nuts, the NPCs aren't going to complain or quit the game because you gave players flamethrowers and carpet bombing ESFs

[kerawinters]

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

I mentioned these outfits win too, you said it was "impossible" for these players to compete unless it was 80/20 which is blatantly false. If you look at the alts for VS/TR/NC players on each faction they end up being relatively in line with one another in terms of KD/KPM/SPM.

What you're acknowledging is a culture issue, each faction has a culture.
TR/NC cultures attract losers, VS culture attracts winners. NC particularly tends to attract solo players and megalomaniacs so they struggle to keep zergfits alive for periods of time longer than a few years - which is fine when midfits communicate and organize but all the midfits died last OW.

I'm surprised to see such an extreme victim bias in NC though since that's usually a TR trait.

What weapons work for you, work because you either lack certain skills or prefer certain play style, what doesn't work is for the same reason.

Here's an example of a good player playing all 3 factions:

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=odiogn&show=statistics

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=0diogn&show=statistics

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=0di0gn

Notice similar performance (identical score/minute and similar KDR), but better on NC due to being used to the bloom/recoil particularly on that faction. This would be impossible if NC has 3-4x worse you keep claiming.

You did not mention anything. You bragged that you provided evidence that NC is overpowered when its not. I countered your so called "evidence" from the site you shared and it statically shows that VS is the dominant Faction. I'm looking at statistics here and I'm not going to take any word from you until you provide evidence that NC has won over VS a few times.

There is no such thing as culture in a game that barely has any playerbase once prime time is over. New players switch over to VS to join zergs after losing on NC. NC has the most number of tactical squads in comparison to the other two factions because communication is key to counter how weak NC weapons are. If you want to compare culture then lets compare weapon culture because it exists in the game. VS weapons are basically Fortnite weapons without recoil. TR weapons are similar to Call of Duty except they have 10x the firepower. NC weapons are similar to Squad or any other military simulator game. Don't believe me? Try firing the Gauss SAW on full auto compared to the Orion. I've seen majority of NC players use the Bishop more than their Carbines.

I've never seen a TR player play victim nor do they have to. They have 2 AP turrets that do double damage compared to the Vanguard and the Watchman is a gatling gun without recoil aside from the T7 Minigun.

Planetside 2 requires skill to play? Since when? Game is almost dead and there isn't need for skill when I can pull Infil and snipe people. If I get bored of playing Infil I'll pull a MAX suit. If I'm on TR or VS I'll go Heavy and use the Watchman/Orion.

I'm not going to look at that specific player in a game that relies on zergs. I'll just post the statistics from my previous post that VS is overpowered because I know facts trigger you so much.

Best Infantry Rank goes to VS on Emerald -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/infantry#rank

Best Infantry Rank goes to TR/VS on Connery -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/infantry#rank

Best Heavy Assault K/D goes to VS twice on Emerald -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/heavy-assault

Best Heavy Assault K/D goes to VS 4 times on Connery + TR -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/heavy-assault#rank

Best Vehicle goes to TR -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/tanks

[kerawinters]

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

I’m saying that NFFN and the other tactical outfits on NC are the minority. Also, as Shortpower mentioned - Goblin Jumpers (GOB) are one of the highest skill outfits out there who can beat even stacked odds. Funny how they chose NC…

Also, you keep harping on the Sirius when you have the Blitz, it’s the same gun with a different skin.

I highly doubt you - a 500 IVI player - wipe full squads with the Orion solo.

The Cyclone does not have more recoil than the SAW. And no, I’m not going to try “shooting at range” with it because that defeats the whole point of an SMG! The Cyclone is easily the most frequent SMG I do to in this game and I the only reason you don’t see that is because you are playing the faction that fields them.

On headshots, I was not saying someone tried to convince me that VS don’t need to hit headshots. I thought that’s what you were saying in your previous response about you’d “play infil if you wanted to shoot for the head” or something. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Also, you do realize that the bolt action snipers are reskins across factions right? The Ghost is identical to the SAS-R and TSAR-42. You can create the exact same build on all factions.

Gun for someone in the PNZR outfit, their Vanguard squads will show you how strong the shield is. The shield gives you 67% damage resistance from the front - that is not a small number. But anyways, guess I’ll have to clip next time we drive Vanguard.

Regarding all that “best outfit” or “best player” stuff, I’m just gonna refer you to what Shortpower posted because it should be more convincing than anything I can say to you at this point.

They are not a minority when 50% of the NC population joins their open squad. You also have no proof since its obvious you don't play NC. I don't know who GOB is and I've never seen them before. If they are on NC, they'll get wiped by 20% VS pop just like any tactical squad on NC. Again, if they chose NC they know VS is a zerg faction and TR weapons/vehicles are similar to CoD. They obviously want a challenge that is whoever they are if I've ever seen them.

I'll keep saying it again because the Sirius does better in combat compared to the Cyclone. I have both SMGs and obvious VS weapons are better because no recoil. I attach suppressors on both SMGs and the Cyclone's recoil is worse than the SAW.

If you played the game long enough or actually play NC for once, you can go counter a ghost cap with a few friends. I guarantee you, you and your entire squad will be wiped by a single VS Heavy. Don't have to be a level 500 to know how unbalanced VS weapons are.

Yup which is why I play Infil or MAX on NC. Anyone playing Heavy on NC is just useless unless they're using the Promise which makes them atleast 5% more useful. NC's meta iwll always be MAX, Medics and Engineers.

I barely see PNZR Outfit but they usually do zergs with Vanguards. This is just another proof that NC has tactical squads but they barely exist in fights. However I have to say that they are more active than whoever GOB is.

Short simps for VS and TR. That's about it. I countered his lies with his own statistics on the website he shared.

[Youngling Slayer]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

I mentioned these outfits win too, you said it was "impossible" for these players to compete unless it was 80/20 which is blatantly false. If you look at the alts for VS/TR/NC players on each faction they end up being relatively in line with one another in terms of KD/KPM/SPM.

What you're acknowledging is a culture issue, each faction has a culture.
TR/NC cultures attract losers, VS culture attracts winners. NC particularly tends to attract solo players and megalomaniacs so they struggle to keep zergfits alive for periods of time longer than a few years - which is fine when midfits communicate and organize but all the midfits died last OW.

I'm surprised to see such an extreme victim bias in NC though since that's usually a TR trait.

What weapons work for you, work because you either lack certain skills or prefer certain play style, what doesn't work is for the same reason.

Here's an example of a good player playing all 3 factions:

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=odiogn&show=statistics

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=0diogn&show=statistics

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=0di0gn

Notice similar performance (identical score/minute and similar KDR), but better on NC due to being used to the bloom/recoil particularly on that faction. This would be impossible if NC has 3-4x worse you keep claiming.

You did not mention anything. You bragged that you provided evidence that NC is overpowered when its not. I countered your so called "evidence" from the site you shared and it statically shows that VS is the dominant Faction. I'm looking at statistics here and I'm not going to take any word from you until you provide evidence that NC has won over VS a few times.

There is no such thing as culture in a game that barely has any playerbase once prime time is over. New players switch over to VS to join zergs after losing on NC. NC has the most number of tactical squads in comparison to the other two factions because communication is key to counter how weak NC weapons are. If you want to compare culture then lets compare weapon culture because it exists in the game. VS weapons are basically Fortnite weapons without recoil. TR weapons are similar to Call of Duty except they have 10x the firepower. NC weapons are similar to Squad or any other military simulator game. Don't believe me? Try firing the Gauss SAW on full auto compared to the Orion. I've seen majority of NC players use the Bishop more than their Carbines.

I've never seen a TR player play victim nor do they have to. They have 2 AP turrets that do double damage compared to the Vanguard and the Watchman is a gatling gun without recoil aside from the T7 Minigun.

Planetside 2 requires skill to play? Since when? Game is almost dead and there isn't need for skill when I can pull Infil and snipe people. If I get bored of playing Infil I'll pull a MAX suit. If I'm on TR or VS I'll go Heavy and use the Watchman/Orion.

I'm not going to look at that specific player in a game that relies on zergs. I'll just post the statistics from my previous post that VS is overpowered because I know facts trigger you so much.

Best Infantry Rank goes to VS on Emerald -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/infantry#rank

Best Infantry Rank goes to TR/VS on Connery -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/infantry#rank

Best Heavy Assault K/D goes to VS twice on Emerald -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/heavy-assault

Best Heavy Assault K/D goes to VS 4 times on Connery + TR -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/heavy-assault#rank

Best Vehicle goes to TR -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/tanks

Citing a top player in no way proves a faction is OP.

And culture absolutely exists. If you listen to command chat, you get a completely different feel for the coordination among leaders. NC command is often silent or people insulting each other. VS and TR are generally more communicative on macro strategy.

As for NC having the most "tactical outfits", how do you know they have the most? Have you actually compared the number of tactical outfits and players within them?
Just saying "I've seen them" isn't sturdy grounds. Especially when you've never heard of a single one of the Tactical VS outfits Short or I have mentioned.

TR weapons have 10x the firepower as COD guns? You literally have to shoot people a minimum of 4 times in the head to kill them in this game - that's the same number of shots to the body to kill in COD.

And yes, Planetside 2 does require skill to play - given you are playing a non-cheese play style. It is not a good competitive arena for the reason that cheese exists (HESH, bolters, MAXs etc) but people still like to take it seriously for the sake of self improvement.

[Youngling Slayer]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

I’m saying that NFFN and the other tactical outfits on NC are the minority. Also, as Shortpower mentioned - Goblin Jumpers (GOB) are one of the highest skill outfits out there who can beat even stacked odds. Funny how they chose NC…

Also, you keep harping on the Sirius when you have the Blitz, it’s the same gun with a different skin.

I highly doubt you - a 500 IVI player - wipe full squads with the Orion solo.

The Cyclone does not have more recoil than the SAW. And no, I’m not going to try “shooting at range” with it because that defeats the whole point of an SMG! The Cyclone is easily the most frequent SMG I do to in this game and I the only reason you don’t see that is because you are playing the faction that fields them.

On headshots, I was not saying someone tried to convince me that VS don’t need to hit headshots. I thought that’s what you were saying in your previous response about you’d “play infil if you wanted to shoot for the head” or something. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Also, you do realize that the bolt action snipers are reskins across factions right? The Ghost is identical to the SAS-R and TSAR-42. You can create the exact same build on all factions.

Gun for someone in the PNZR outfit, their Vanguard squads will show you how strong the shield is. The shield gives you 67% damage resistance from the front - that is not a small number. But anyways, guess I’ll have to clip next time we drive Vanguard.

Regarding all that “best outfit” or “best player” stuff, I’m just gonna refer you to what Shortpower posted because it should be more convincing than anything I can say to you at this point.

They are not a minority when 50% of the NC population joins their open squad. You also have no proof since its obvious you don't play NC. I don't know who GOB is and I've never seen them before. If they are on NC, they'll get wiped by 20% VS pop just like any tactical squad on NC. Again, if they chose NC they know VS is a zerg faction and TR weapons/vehicles are similar to CoD. They obviously want a challenge that is whoever they are if I've ever seen them.

I'll keep saying it again because the Sirius does better in combat compared to the Cyclone. I have both SMGs and obvious VS weapons are better because no recoil. I attach suppressors on both SMGs and the Cyclone's recoil is worse than the SAW.

If you played the game long enough or actually play NC for once, you can go counter a ghost cap with a few friends. I guarantee you, you and your entire squad will be wiped by a single VS Heavy. Don't have to be a level 500 to know how unbalanced VS weapons are.

Yup which is why I play Infil or MAX on NC. Anyone playing Heavy on NC is just useless unless they're using the Promise which makes them atleast 5% more useful. NC's meta iwll always be MAX, Medics and Engineers.

I barely see PNZR Outfit but they usually do zergs with Vanguards. This is just another proof that NC has tactical squads but they barely exist in fights. However I have to say that they are more active than whoever GOB is.

Short simps for VS and TR. That's about it. I countered his lies with his own statistics on the website he shared.

Short is one of the few voices of reason on this forum and was debunking TR victim complex people long before this argument started.

Also bruh, if you like the Sirius so much, just use the Blitz, it's the same thing.

And stop telling me to "play NC for once" and stuff, I have more hours on NC than you have my dude. I'm 30 battle ranks above you.

[kerawinters]

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

Citing a top player in no way proves a faction is OP.

And culture absolutely exists. If you listen to command chat, you get a completely different feel for the coordination among leaders. NC command is often silent or people insulting each other. VS and TR are generally more communicative on macro strategy.

As for NC having the most "tactical outfits", how do you know they have the most? Have you actually compared the number of tactical outfits and players within them?
Just saying "I've seen them" isn't sturdy grounds. Especially when you've never heard of a single one of the Tactical VS outfits Short or I have mentioned.

TR weapons have 10x the firepower as COD guns? You literally have to shoot people a minimum of 4 times in the head to kill them in this game - that's the same number of shots to the body to kill in COD.

And yes, Planetside 2 does require skill to play - given you are playing a non-cheese play style. It is not a good competitive arena for the reason that cheese exists (HESH, bolters, MAXs etc) but people still like to take it seriously for the sake of self improvement.

Ok so this proves that you did not look at the link nor did you try to read my statement. I did not cite a specific player. That is what Short did. All the links I gave are specific Outfits.

You obviously don't play NC and this shows. Both TG and NFFN (Not NFFT like I stated before) use comms 24/7 during their open squads. I have not been in an NC squad where people are insulting each other. IF this is the case, please provide proof. The only argument between NC players is in command comms. VS does not need to communicate because of how easy their weapons are. SKL just drops to 1 point with 20% population and they can cap it despite being surrounded. I'm not sure about the TR because P1GS are always sweaty.

I play NC and VS actively so I know. The fact that you stated NC argues with each other proves that you don't play NC at all. Do you realize the amount of Brazilians on NC? They don't argue, they just drop on zerg fights and get wiped. They're used to that kind of gameplay. I don't need to know about any VS tactical squad since VS just zergs everyone all the time.

TR weapons are similar to Call of Duty and I'll keep saying it. The Watchman is similar to the Orion but atleast it has some recoil. NC does not have such a weapon and if anything, the Promise is just weak in comparison. I shot a TR 5 times in the head with a SAW and the guy managed to run away to heal. That is how weak NC weapons are.

Planetside 2 does not require any skill to play. Just pull and Infil or Lightning/Vehicle to snipe and just try to increase your K/D. There is no self improvement to be made in the game when the majority of new NC players have quit to join the VS.

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

Short is one of the few voices of reason on this forum and was debunking TR victim complex people long before this argument started.

Also bruh, if you like the Sirius so much, just use the Blitz, it's the same thing.

And stop telling me to "play NC for once" and stuff, I have more hours on NC than you have my dude. I'm 30 battle ranks above you.

Short just lied to you and you bought it. Factually so you completely ignored my evidence that I gave. Evidence where I linked 4 VS Outfits dominating as Heavy Assault.
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/heavy-assault#rank

I won't buy another NC SMG knowing the recoil will be insane.

You obviously don't and you proved yourself that you don't play NC. Ranks don't matter when I'm doing 90% of the work for NC. I have to pull MAX suits just so I can change the tide meanwhile its people like you that sit in Vanguards sniping Prowlers and getting wiped by 20 Mosquitoes.

[Shortpower]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

I mentioned these outfits win too, you said it was "impossible" for these players to compete unless it was 80/20 which is blatantly false. If you look at the alts for VS/TR/NC players on each faction they end up being relatively in line with one another in terms of KD/KPM/SPM.

What you're acknowledging is a culture issue, each faction has a culture.
TR/NC cultures attract losers, VS culture attracts winners. NC particularly tends to attract solo players and megalomaniacs so they struggle to keep zergfits alive for periods of time longer than a few years - which is fine when midfits communicate and organize but all the midfits died last OW.

I'm surprised to see such an extreme victim bias in NC though since that's usually a TR trait.

What weapons work for you, work because you either lack certain skills or prefer certain play style, what doesn't work is for the same reason.

Here's an example of a good player playing all 3 factions:

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=odiogn&show=statistics

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=0diogn&show=statistics

https://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=0di0gn

Notice similar performance (identical score/minute and similar KDR), but better on NC due to being used to the bloom/recoil particularly on that faction. This would be impossible if NC has 3-4x worse you keep claiming.

You did not mention anything. You bragged that you provided evidence that NC is overpowered when its not. I countered your so called "evidence" from the site you shared and it statically shows that VS is the dominant Faction. I'm looking at statistics here and I'm not going to take any word from you until you provide evidence that NC has won over VS a few times.

There is no such thing as culture in a game that barely has any playerbase once prime time is over. New players switch over to VS to join zergs after losing on NC. NC has the most number of tactical squads in comparison to the other two factions because communication is key to counter how weak NC weapons are. If you want to compare culture then lets compare weapon culture because it exists in the game. VS weapons are basically Fortnite weapons without recoil. TR weapons are similar to Call of Duty except they have 10x the firepower. NC weapons are similar to Squad or any other military simulator game. Don't believe me? Try firing the Gauss SAW on full auto compared to the Orion. I've seen majority of NC players use the Bishop more than their Carbines.

I've never seen a TR player play victim nor do they have to. They have 2 AP turrets that do double damage compared to the Vanguard and the Watchman is a gatling gun without recoil aside from the T7 Minigun.

Planetside 2 requires skill to play? Since when? Game is almost dead and there isn't need for skill when I can pull Infil and snipe people. If I get bored of playing Infil I'll pull a MAX suit. If I'm on TR or VS I'll go Heavy and use the Watchman/Orion.

I'm not going to look at that specific player in a game that relies on zergs. I'll just post the statistics from my previous post that VS is overpowered because I know facts trigger you so much.

Best Infantry Rank goes to VS on Emerald -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/infantry#rank

Best Infantry Rank goes to TR/VS on Connery -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/infantry#rank

Best Heavy Assault K/D goes to VS twice on Emerald -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/heavy-assault

Best Heavy Assault K/D goes to VS 4 times on Connery + TR -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/heavy-assault#rank

Best Vehicle goes to TR -
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/emerald/tanks

Bragged NC is OP? No. Said their equipment is good? Yes.

Old GOBs gameplay:
https://youtu.be/l1aLflzX9oU


GOB giving as good as they take in Jaeger against "super OP TR.":
https://youtu.be/qKMBkbc1m4A

KN1 taking a base through significant outpop:
https://youtu.be/B6A1TqrWK5c

A top EM6 user racking up kills:
https://youtu.be/oML2rcnWjIA

Good player using the Gauss SAW:
https://youtu.be/Wr5syQTTlM8

Same player using all 3 meta CQC LMGs:
https://youtu.be/ZZe-S1OMT_w

Decent enough NC main content creator: https://youtu.be/BZW2Q7PyW7w

NFFN 50/50 cap on TR in a large fight:
https://youtu.be/LG7JWd5b58Q

Since you'll misunderstand my point with this - no, I'm not claiming NC is hyper OP. I'm simply pointing out that there are plenty of NC players that can easily win 50/50 fights and go well past that.

[kerawinters]

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

Bragged NC is OP? No. Said their equipment is good? Yes.

Since you'll misunderstand my point with this - no, I'm not claiming NC is hyper OP. I'm simply pointing out that there are plenty of NC players that can easily win 50/50 fights and go well past that.

You gave false evidence which led to you failing at proving your statement as a fact. I did not know such a website (Outfit tracker) was even a thing and it ironically showed how weak NC is which is a fact you try to hide.

NC getting zerged by SKL again
https://youtu.be/gndMbuFFxe0

Orion decimating Infantry and MAXes
https://youtu.be/M3n-XhquHok

Sirius long to medium range engagements montage
https://youtu.be/VT5EDX76sPE

An entire NC squad wiped by a single Watchman
https://youtu.be/Wo31jtEkGKc

Yes NC is able to cap at 50/50 but 80% of the time they fail to do so. You don't play NC, I do. I've seen NC fail to cap at 80% against 20% VS.

[Youngling Slayer]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

Citing a top player in no way proves a faction is OP.

And culture absolutely exists. If you listen to command chat, you get a completely different feel for the coordination among leaders. NC command is often silent or people insulting each other. VS and TR are generally more communicative on macro strategy.

As for NC having the most "tactical outfits", how do you know they have the most? Have you actually compared the number of tactical outfits and players within them?
Just saying "I've seen them" isn't sturdy grounds. Especially when you've never heard of a single one of the Tactical VS outfits Short or I have mentioned.

TR weapons have 10x the firepower as COD guns? You literally have to shoot people a minimum of 4 times in the head to kill them in this game - that's the same number of shots to the body to kill in COD.

And yes, Planetside 2 does require skill to play - given you are playing a non-cheese play style. It is not a good competitive arena for the reason that cheese exists (HESH, bolters, MAXs etc) but people still like to take it seriously for the sake of self improvement.

Ok so this proves that you did not look at the link nor did you try to read my statement. I did not cite a specific player. That is what Short did. All the links I gave are specific Outfits.

You obviously don't play NC and this shows. Both TG and NFFN (Not NFFT like I stated before) use comms 24/7 during their open squads. I have not been in an NC squad where people are insulting each other. IF this is the case, please provide proof. The only argument between NC players is in command comms. VS does not need to communicate because of how easy their weapons are. SKL just drops to 1 point with 20% population and they can cap it despite being surrounded. I'm not sure about the TR because P1GS are always sweaty.

I play NC and VS actively so I know. The fact that you stated NC argues with each other proves that you don't play NC at all. Do you realize the amount of Brazilians on NC? They don't argue, they just drop on zerg fights and get wiped. They're used to that kind of gameplay. I don't need to know about any VS tactical squad since VS just zergs everyone all the time.

TR weapons are similar to Call of Duty and I'll keep saying it. The Watchman is similar to the Orion but atleast it has some recoil. NC does not have such a weapon and if anything, the Promise is just weak in comparison. I shot a TR 5 times in the head with a SAW and the guy managed to run away to heal. That is how weak NC weapons are.

Planetside 2 does not require any skill to play. Just pull and Infil or Lightning/Vehicle to snipe and just try to increase your K/D. There is no self improvement to be made in the game when the majority of new NC players have quit to join the VS.

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

Short is one of the few voices of reason on this forum and was debunking TR victim complex people long before this argument started.

Also bruh, if you like the Sirius so much, just use the Blitz, it's the same thing.

And stop telling me to "play NC for once" and stuff, I have more hours on NC than you have my dude. I'm 30 battle ranks above you.

Short just lied to you and you bought it. Factually so you completely ignored my evidence that I gave. Evidence where I linked 4 VS Outfits dominating as Heavy Assault.
https://www.outfit-tracker.com/ranking/connery/heavy-assault#rank

I won't buy another NC SMG knowing the recoil will be insane.

You obviously don't and you proved yourself that you don't play NC. Ranks don't matter when I'm doing 90% of the work for NC. I have to pull MAX suits just so I can change the tide meanwhile its people like you that sit in Vanguards sniping Prowlers and getting wiped by 20 Mosquitoes.

There are no statistics to prove NC players quit to join VS.

The Gauss Saw does 200 damage per shot which is doubled to the head. It can kill in 3 headshots so whoever you shot did lived because you missed.

And all those links to top VS players? Guarantee they can do the same thing on NC. They’d tell you that themselves if you talk to them I’d bet.

You can do the free 30 minute trial for the Blitz if you want to try it out.

And I only cited my rank because you keep framing me as a someone who doesn’t play NC when I have more experience on the faction than you do.

[Shortpower]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

Bragged NC is OP? No. Said their equipment is good? Yes.

Since you'll misunderstand my point with this - no, I'm not claiming NC is hyper OP. I'm simply pointing out that there are plenty of NC players that can easily win 50/50 fights and go well past that.

You gave false evidence which led to you failing at proving your statement as a fact. I did not know such a website (Outfit tracker) was even a thing and it ironically showed how weak NC is which is a fact you try to hide.

NC getting zerged by SKL again
https://youtu.be/gndMbuFFxe0

Orion decimating Infantry and MAXes
https://youtu.be/M3n-XhquHok

Sirius long to medium range engagements montage
https://youtu.be/VT5EDX76sPE

An entire NC squad wiped by a single Watchman
https://youtu.be/Wo31jtEkGKc

Yes NC is able to cap at 50/50 but 80% of the time they fail to do so. You don't play NC, I do. I've seen NC fail to cap at 80% against 20% VS.

I... I literally do play NC.

I've raxed every NC Carbine and several NC LMGs. I've played with KN1, PHX, WSC, 1COG, LAPH, NFFN, and GOB. More too I'm sure.

Youngling Slayer and I have tried to be reasonable, but you just refuse any semblance of reasonableness. The thought that the faction you're on might be losing because they play poorly, or worse you might be losing because you play poorly mortifies you.

If you don't want to take accountability and aim to improve and just cling to your victim complex, that's fine. Enjoy your prerogative.

I don't mind 1v1'ng you either if you want to show me the power of the Watchman or Orion and I'll use the Gauss SAW or Anchor :).

Edit: removed some wordiness, why use more words when less words are better.

[kerawinters]

Youngling Slayer lähetti viestin:

There are no statistics to prove NC players quit to join VS.

The Gauss Saw does 200 damage per shot which is doubled to the head. It can kill in 3 headshots so whoever you shot did lived because you missed.

And all those links to top VS players? Guarantee they can do the same thing on NC. They’d tell you that themselves if you talk to them I’d bet.

You can do the free 30 minute trial for the Blitz if you want to try it out.

And I only cited my rank because you keep framing me as a someone who doesn’t play NC when I have more experience on the faction than you do.

NC players quit to join VS because its always the winning faction. It happened on Connery where VS dominates the server. You can check the statistics, that I have given. There is obviously no way to check if a player switched Factions but you can ask them. I personally have talked with NC players and they agree that they have the weakest weapons in the game.

The useless SAW does 200 damage which has the firerate of an M1 Garand and a recoil of an AK-47 in CS. Compare that to the Orion which is similar to the R-99 in Apex except its effective from short - long range. It's basically a sniper LMG without recoil. I did not miss a headshot because I know what I hit. Giving the excuse of "Hurr durr, you missed a shot" does not justify the fact the SAW is the weakest LMG in the game.

Nope. Go ask them then. You have no evidence to back your false claims. They prefer VS weapons and I can 100% guarantee you that is the first thing they will tell you. Also the links are not the top VS players, they are the top VS Outfits.

I'm not going to waste 30 minutes trying out a garbage SMG from NC when I can just pull a MAX and actually help capping bases. If I were to use an SMG as NC, I'm just cannon fodder as much as anyone else in NC.

Yes, you don't play NC and its obvious. Check the statistics. They speak louder.

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

I... I literally do play NC.

I've raxed every NC Carbine and several NC LMGs. I've played with KN1, PHX, WSC, 1COG, LAPH, NFFN, and GOB. More too I'm sure.

Youngling Slayer and I have tried to be reasonable, but you just refuse any semblance of reasonableness. The thought that the faction you're on might be losing because they play poorly, or worse you might be losing because you play poorly mortifies you.

If you don't want to take accountability and aim to improve and just cling to your victim complex, that's fine. Enjoy your prerogative.

I don't mind 1v1'ng you either if you want to show me the power of the Watchman or Orion and I'll use the Gauss SAW or Anchor :).

Edit: removed some wordiness, why use more words when less words are better.

I'm only familiar with 1COG and NFFN from your list. The others are either dead or completely wiped from the game.

I'm not being unreasonable because I am in fact being reasonable here. NC has been nerfed patch after patch. The worst being the Mattocks which used to be effective before the nerf. NC always relied on MAXes and now they're the most useless Faction.

This isn't about who plays poorly. This is about weapon balance, always has been which is why NC switched over to VS to win. Also I don't play poorly, I just play Infil or MAX. If I'm feeling generous, I'll play shotgun on an LA.

You obviously don't play NC so how are you going to use the SAW or Anchor? You'll die in 0.5 seconds if I use the Orion.

[Shortpower]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

You obviously don't play NC so how are you going to use the SAW or Anchor? You'll die in 0.5 seconds if I use the Orion.

Shoot lets do it then. Give me a time and server and I'll 1v1 you as much as you like. I'll use any gun from the NC arsenal that you want me to use. I'll even make a new slot so you can't cry implants/upgrades.

I'd be available all day Sunday if you'd actually like to defend your claims, might be fun.

[zeral_storm]

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

You obviously don't play NC so how are you going to use the SAW or Anchor? You'll die in 0.5 seconds if I use the Orion.

Shoot lets do it then. Give me a time and server and I'll 1v1 you as much as you like. I'll use any gun from the NC arsenal that you want me to use. I'll even make a new slot so you can't cry implants/upgrades.

I'd be available all day Sunday if you'd actually like to defend your claims, might be fun.

♥♥♥♥ son! You been called out! Step up or get out! To both of you, do not go signing checks your body cant cash!
Im VS and hate NC, but I see the writing on the wall. PLEASE prove me wrong!

[kerawinters]

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

Shoot lets do it then. Give me a time and server and I'll 1v1 you as much as you like. I'll use any gun from the NC arsenal that you want me to use. I'll even make a new slot so you can't cry implants/upgrades.

I'd be available all day Sunday if you'd actually like to defend your claims, might be fun.

You already gave false claims so what gives you the right to deny me from defending mine? Since you main VS/TR, I should be playing NC. I'm not crying since you are the one asking for a 1 v 1 after losing an argument and providing false information.

[Shortpower]

kerawinters lähetti viestin:

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

Shoot lets do it then. Give me a time and server and I'll 1v1 you as much as you like. I'll use any gun from the NC arsenal that you want me to use. I'll even make a new slot so you can't cry implants/upgrades.

I'd be available all day Sunday if you'd actually like to defend your claims, might be fun.

You already gave false claims so what gives you the right to deny me from defending mine? Since you main VS/TR, I should be playing NC. I'm not crying since you are the one asking for a 1 v 1 after losing an argument and providing false information.

So you won't defend your claims. Got it.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something in your post. Either way, I'd be playing NC because since your stance is "NC bad" you'd have no reason to try and win - while my stance is "NC good" so it makes more sense for me to defend their weapons than you.

As for "losing an argument" you're looking kinda delusional. Most everyone, barring low BR, victim complex, NC only players know the NC arsenal is full of competent weapons. I gave plenty of evidence that shatters your "impossible to compete claim." While all you did was show stats that are easily explained away via faction culture while screaming that "culture can't exist." News flash: culture exists in everything, your friend group has its own micro-culture, your work, your school, cultures develop and attract/retain certain kinds of people to dent that is just silly.

[kerawinters]

Shortpower lähetti viestin:

So you won't defend your claims. Got it.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something in your post. Either way, I'd be playing NC because since your stance is "NC bad" you'd have no reason to try and win - while my stance is "NC good" so it makes more sense for me to defend their weapons than you.

As for "losing an argument" you're looking kinda delusional. Most everyone, barring low BR, victim complex, NC only players know the NC arsenal is full of competent weapons. I gave plenty of evidence that shatters your "impossible to compete claim." While all you did was show stats that are easily explained away via faction culture while screaming that "culture can't exist." News flash: culture exists in everything, your friend group has its own micro-culture, your work, your school, cultures develop and attract/retain certain kinds of people to dent that is just silly.

I defended my claims by providing evidence. Again VS won 4 times on the Heavy Assault Leaderboard rankings on Connery.

This game barely has a playerbase past its peak hours and you want to compare BR? Ever tried getting a life, my dude? You gave 0 evidence claiming that NC is equal to VS. You only cried about wanting a 1 v 1 because you know you lost your arguments. Again, ironically the website you shared clearly shows VS is the dominant Faction. I showed stats because its statistics. Hypocritical of you, someone who compares BR. Unless you have evidence that having a higher BR makes you immune to Infil's then you are happy to provide evidence. One way or another, if you play NC, you'll get dominated by VS due to factual evidence that VS has the most overpowered weapons in the game.

News flash: Stop being cringe.