[TR] SMG Advice?

[RagingAgent]

So I'm trying to Auraxium the Light Assault and one of the requirements is to either get a ton of kills with a shotgun or smg, I am choosing the SMG since I can use it with more classes but I want to make an informed buy between the Armastice, Hailstorm and NS7 PDW (I really like the looks and reload animations of the NS7). What are your experiences with these weapons and what do you think would be the best to use for all classes?

Thanks.

[Rattler]

Blackjack ftw

[Twoflower]

I got a Hailstorm because on paper its recoil bloom and mag size seem great for such a small DPS tradeoff but after using it for ages I got frustrated and when I switched to Armistice the increased DPS felt like a world of difference.

The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis. I don't understand why anyone would use it except for its BX adapter.

In my personal opinion, the niche of an SMG is it's lightning fast TTK at close-medium range, so pick whichever SMG maximizes that. For the TR that's the Armistice, Cyclone for NC and Eridani for Vanu.

[Smaug's Arrow.]

Originally posted by Iatohihakitar:

I got a Hailstorm because on paper its recoil bloom and mag size seem great for such a small DPS tradeoff but after using it for ages I got frustrated and when I switched to Armistice the increased DPS felt like a world of difference.

The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis. I don't understand why anyone would use it except for its BX adapter.

In my personal opinion, the niche of an SMG is it's lightning fast TTK at close-medium range, so pick whichever SMG maximizes that. For the TR that's the Armistice, Cyclone for NC and Eridani for Vanu.

I had the same experience and like the Armistice. But i suggest for more fun just jumping off buildings and landing on peoples heads with a shotgun. Just saying.

[BilliBobBillsen]

Originally posted by RagingAgent:

So I'm trying to Auraxium the Light Assault and one of the requirements is to either get a ton of kills with a shotgun or smg, I am choosing the SMG since I can use it with more classes but I want to make an informed buy between the Armastice, Hailstorm and NS7 PDW (I really like the looks and reload animations of the NS7). What are your experiences with these weapons and what do you think would be the best to use for all classes?

Thanks.

First and foremost. Take the shotgun. There is no reason to take an smg with the LA apart from a sidearm when you have the right asp perk. Doesnt matter if you can use it with all classes. You mostly use the smg on your infil only, since all other weapons are outclassing smgs. Wanna have good hipfire? Take a carbine, they also have more dps. Wanna have stable aim? Take an AR or LMG with also more dps. Wanna go up close? Take a shotty, they obviously have much more dps..

Honestly, if you still wanna go with the smg at this point, take at least the good ones.
And no there is not this smg is better for this or that class etc. There only a list, in which the position of rank 1 and 2 are a matter of taste. Judged by the stats and not the feels.

1. Armistice
2. Jackal (not as good as othe factionspecifics but still better than, the belows)
3. Failstorm
4. PDW

[Gir Fan]

SMGs are all the same. Close Quarters Combat. But you will lose vs a heavy assult in a 1v1 fight. Go for flanking routes rather then taking people head on. If you chose to use a silencer wait for a closer engagement then usual.

[Witchhunter Captain]

Jackal for general use.
Armistice for when you get up close.
PDW if you like hipfire precision.

MKV is gimped PDW and Failstorm is just bad.

Carbines are generally better than SMGs but hey, you are doing it for variety anyways. Also TR does not have a hipfire carbine that would outclass Armistice in raw DPS, i think.

>>>The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis.

Nope. Canis is a gimped Cyclone, and Jackal is just a Cyclone that is worse at ADS than original. The way i use it, its not meaningful anyway.

[BilliBobBillsen]

Originally posted by Jiro The Almighty:

Jackal for general use.
Armistice for when you get up close.
PDW if you like hipfire precision.

MKV is gimped PDW and Failstorm is just bad.

Carbines are generally better than SMGs but hey, you are doing it for variety anyways. Also TR does not have a hipfire carbine that would outclass Armistice in raw DPS, i think.

>>>The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis.

Nope. Canis is a gimped Cyclone, and Jackal is just a Cyclone that is worse at ADS than original. The way i use it, its not meaningful anyway.

You have no clue about what you are talking right? But how to know? Oh yeah the stats are openly available for everyone. Consider, when checking these stats, that the best range for all SMGs is between 5 to 10m. If they get closer or are further away they have rarely a chance against other weaponclasses.

MKV vs PDW
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=2314
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=7494

Cyclone vs Canis vs Jackal
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=27000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003879
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003925

Armistice vs Lynx
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=28000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=19000

[Smaug's Arrow.]

Originally posted by BilliBobBillsen:

Originally posted by Jiro The Almighty:

Jackal for general use.
Armistice for when you get up close.
PDW if you like hipfire precision.

MKV is gimped PDW and Failstorm is just bad.

Carbines are generally better than SMGs but hey, you are doing it for variety anyways. Also TR does not have a hipfire carbine that would outclass Armistice in raw DPS, i think.

>>>The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis.

Nope. Canis is a gimped Cyclone, and Jackal is just a Cyclone that is worse at ADS than original. The way i use it, its not meaningful anyway.

You have no clue about what you are talking right? But how to know? Oh yeah the stats are openly available for everyone. Consider, when checking these stats, that the best range for all SMGs is between 5 to 10m. If they get closer or are further away they have rarely a chance against other weaponclasses.

MKV vs PDW
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=2314
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=7494

Cyclone vs Canis vs Jackal
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=27000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003879
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003925

Armistice vs Lynx
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=28000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=19000

Ya know the Tengu has a place in this, really snappy at tower defense. And its a shotgun and a smg. And only good for getting real pushy at 15m

[B4rr]

Originally posted by BilliBobBillsen:

Cyclone vs Canis vs Jackal
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=27000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003879
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003925

This does not show that the Canis has to spin up to the full RPM.

[Smaug's Arrow.]

Originally posted by B4rr:

Originally posted by BilliBobBillsen:

Cyclone vs Canis vs Jackal
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=27000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003879
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003925

This does not show that the Canis has to spin up to the full RPM.

To be honest most people I shoot with the Canis run away from that spin up, It psych's em out.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Iatohihakitar:

I got a Hailstorm because on paper its recoil bloom and mag size seem great for such a small DPS tradeoff but after using it for ages I got frustrated and when I switched to Armistice the increased DPS felt like a world of difference.

The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis. I don't understand why anyone would use it except for its BX adapter.

In my personal opinion, the niche of an SMG is it's lightning fast TTK at close-medium range, so pick whichever SMG maximizes that. For the TR that's the Armistice, Cyclone for NC and Eridani for Vanu.

pretty much this, armstice is my go to im not effin around anymore SMG. i own the others mentioned and they have a place, buts it the place of a typical SMG.

[Salami Tsunami]

I regretted buying the Hailstorm. It's incredibly mediocre. Granted, it's better at medium range than the Armistice, but at medium range, you're already at a disadvantage compared to any other weapon class besides shotguns.

[TobiMK]

Originally posted by Iatohihakitar:

The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis. I don't understand why anyone would use it except for its BX adapter.

The Jackal is vastly superior to the Canis, and a weaker form of the Cyclone. The Canis is probably one of the worst SMGs in the game now.

[Witchhunter Captain]

Originally posted by BilliBobBillsen:

Originally posted by Jiro The Almighty:

Jackal for general use.
Armistice for when you get up close.
PDW if you like hipfire precision.

MKV is gimped PDW and Failstorm is just bad.

Carbines are generally better than SMGs but hey, you are doing it for variety anyways. Also TR does not have a hipfire carbine that would outclass Armistice in raw DPS, i think.

>>>The Jackal is a straight downgrade from the Cyclone and Canis.

Nope. Canis is a gimped Cyclone, and Jackal is just a Cyclone that is worse at ADS than original. The way i use it, its not meaningful anyway.

You have no clue about what you are talking right? But how to know? Oh yeah the stats are openly available for everyone. Consider, when checking these stats, that the best range for all SMGs is between 5 to 10m. If they get closer or are further away they have rarely a chance against other weaponclasses.

MKV vs PDW
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=2314
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=7494

Cyclone vs Canis vs Jackal
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=27000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003879
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=6003925

Armistice vs Lynx
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=28000
http://stats.dasanfall.com/ps2/civ/index.php?id=19000

I have no idea what are you trying to say there, unless you are just being technical with your personal attacks.

Canis is literally the worst SMG because it trades quite a few features for a spinup gimmick.

Lynx is not a hipfire carbine, Jaguar is, which is standard 750/143 unlike the godly Serpent (or is it VX6? Cant remember).

Jaguar is still more all-rounded pick, since it gives you SMG-like mobility in a carbine package, but of you want hipfire DPS, you go for the Armistice.

[TobiMK]

Originally posted by Jiro The Almighty:

Jaguar is still more all-rounded pick, since it gives you SMG-like mobility in a carbine package, but of you want hipfire DPS, you go for the Armistice.

It doesn't make much sense to compare Jaguar and Armistice, the only (combat relevant) class that can use both is LA. And you should never choose an SMG over a carbine when playing LA.

Lynx is not a hipfire carbine, Jaguar is

I think you're confusing guns here, the Lynx is definitely a hipfire weapon, just as much as the Jaguar.