need help with Elizabeth fight

[DEMOS]

hello. first off I want to say I have this game on the PS5.

now I have tried to fight her multiple times but on her first turn almost. she uses Pixie and heals her self for 20,000 hp and then uses Meglodon and hits for 9999 and one shots me. I have tried to use endure soul and other stuff but nothing works. I play this on easy and even tried peacfull to see if that effects the fight but same thing.

any help would be nice and you can call me an idot if you want lol

[RVRZERO]

This fight have rules, one of them is that you can't block, repel, or drain any attack. Even counter skills are off limits. If you broke this rule you will get a 9999 Megidolaon from Pixie. There are phases in the fight too that depends on her HP so you need a calculator for that to keep track of her HP. I recommend googling that so you can have a full guide. Many guides have Orpheus Telos as a requirement but it is not really required to beat her.

[Lynfinity]

Her fight has a bunch of hidden rules, and if you break any of them, she will automatically whip out her Uber Pixie.

Basically:
- You're not allowed to Null, Repel or Drain any of her attacks.
- You're not allowed to use Armageddon without actually defeating her with it.
- The whole battle must not exceed 50 turns.

She will also use 9999 Megidolaon twice, even if you don’t break any rules - these are scripted, so it is imperative to have both Endure and Enduring Soul. On two different Personas, obviously.

[DEMOS]

ok so If I remember right. I have saten and he does have asorb. so I can't use him. well this is going to be an intersting figh lol

[Killermoose69]

Dang I thought Lavenza from P5R was hard...lol Elizabeth is on another level.

[Arifufu]

the best persona you could bring against her:
- Telos, if you manage to max all social links including finishing Ken's Link epidose
- Saki Mitama
- Chi You
- Yurlungur
- Narcisuss
- Kaiwan
- Ganga
- Hecatoncheires
use resist passive skill to cover their weaknesses
for almighty you can transfer morning star + almighty amp + almighty boost + multi target boost + spell master to any persona you like

decide yourself which persona will have endure, enduring soul, support persona (debilitate, heat riser, concentrate, charge, regenerate 3, invigorate 3, and diarahan), physical persona or magical persona, min-max their stats by using incense, good luck

try to get charge + concentrate at start of the turn from shuffle time, and choose to "to raise theurgy from club escapade" from fortune teller so you can refill theurgy faster (sorry i forget the fortune name), you absolutely needs scarlet havoc in early turn and later to finish her by using armageddon

ohh i added one more rule, don't use High Counter, it will trigger her pixidolaon 9999 in Reload

[euPSYCHian]

Hi, so i have telos equiped and on my first move at the start of the battle i jus used concentrate..she then used diarahan then megidolaon as her first move..i did not break any rules..

[geesepolice]

Originally posted by Arifufu:

the best persona you could bring against her:
- Telos, if you manage to max all social links including finishing Ken's Link epidose
- Saki Mitama
- Chi You
- Yurlungur
- Narcisuss
- Kaiwan
- Ganga
- Hecatoncheires
use resist passive skill to cover their weaknesses
for almighty you can transfer morning star + almighty amp + almighty boost + multi target boost + spell master to any persona you like

decide yourself which persona will have endure, enduring soul, support persona (debilitate, heat riser, concentrate, charge, regenerate 3, invigorate 3, and diarahan), physical persona or magical persona, min-max their stats by using incense, good luck

try to get charge + concentrate at start of the turn from shuffle time, and choose to "to raise theurgy from club escapade" from fortune teller so you can refill theurgy faster (sorry i forget the fortune name), you absolutely needs scarlet havoc in early turn and later to finish her by using armageddon

ohh i added one more rule, don't use High Counter, it will trigger her pixidolaon 9999 in Reload

High counter triggers Megadolaon? Why? I thought that was a key thing to have in the fight, at least in P3, P3F and P3P

[geesepolice]

changing that drastically is wild

[geesepolice]

But if you want a semi easier fight (I haven't played Reload mind you only the OG games so I don't know how different it is) I would just bring OT with;
-Panta Rhei/Ragnarok/Thunder Reign/Nifilhiem
-Mind Charge
-Unshaken Will
-High Counter (but maybe do like Salvation or Spell Master since the guy above said something about High counter not being effective)
-Appropriate Boost
-Appropriate Amp
-Enduring Soul
-Spell Master

Also to deal with insta death (Megadolaon or Light/Dark skills) bring along infinity and at least 10 homoculus

[geesepolice]

For example here is my OT build, this is the build that helped me beat Elizabeth pretty easily, that and the homoculus/infinity

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3353179448

[geesepolice]

Also I forgot to mention you're going to want either barbaric bracers (increases dodge rate) or divine pillar (halves damage but can't dodge)

[rupsch]

I really hated that fight. I created and trained my persona to specifically shield me from all kinds of damage because that is a valid strategy in the game. Now my strongest personas are completely worthless and I would have to train an entirely different kind of persona (or have several ones trained) just to be admitted to that battle. That's why this is basically the only thing I decided to not complete, and it still annoys me today. I mean, I fully accept that you can't cheese the battle with the armageddon spell, but that insta-kill rule is just bull-dung.
Luckily, they didn't do the same thing in Metaphor, or at least, it was possible to take off my damage reflecting gear rather easily when a similar fight came up.

[geesepolice]

Originally posted by rupsch:

I really hated that fight. I created and trained my persona to specifically shield me from all kinds of damage because that is a valid strategy in the game. Now my strongest personas are completely worthless and I would have to train an entirely different kind of persona (or have several ones trained) just to be admitted to that battle. That's why this is basically the only thing I decided to not complete, and it still annoys me today. I mean, I fully accept that you can't cheese the battle with the armageddon spell, but that insta-kill rule is just bull-dung.
Luckily, they didn't do the same thing in Metaphor, or at least, it was possible to take off my damage reflecting gear rather easily when a similar fight came up.

Well Armageddon IS a key factor in the fight (at least in the older games) and they wanted you to have a challenge so they didn’t want any possible way to cheese it, honestly it’s a good thing because it’s a challenge to overcome and when you do you feel great about yourself.

[geesepolice]

If you don’t like that battle then don’t even think about trying the Demi fiend battle bro 😭😭

[Murphylaws666]

Originally posted by Lynfinity:

Her fight has a bunch of hidden rules, and if you break any of them, she will automatically whip out her Uber Pixie.

Basically:
- You're not allowed to Null, Repel or Drain any of her attacks.
- You're not allowed to use Armageddon without actually defeating her with it.
- The whole battle must not exceed 50 turns.

She will also use 9999 Megidolaon twice, even if you don’t break any rules - these are scripted, so it is imperative to have both Endure and Enduring Soul. On two different Personas, obviously.

How does the Armageddon trigger work?
Does it count any damage above a certain threshold as the rule being broken or does it have to be Armageddon?
Because the repel trigger doesn't know how to differentiate between the repel passives, the barriers from cards and skills and the counter skills