Nier's win guide

[MysteryK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_KkMane-Ms

Expect more "fun" matches with her from now on, lol.

[Tyrone Biggums]

nier was also my first master shes pretty fun

now lets nerf seox

[Kiyaya]

Originally posted by MysteryK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_KkMane-Ms

Expect more "fun" matches with her from now on, lol.

Of course it's more fun when my opponent knows how to actually play the game.
Why would anyone want to fight someone clueless?

[Infevo]

Jiyuna should rename the guide into "How to earn your place on everyone's blocklist".

[MysteryK]

He is doing the right thing so she gets fixed asap or let the game die. He also helped in fixing Kokonoe in BBCF. Once I get Nier with the free rotation. I would go full buffet, but I'll be fair because its going to be only one round per player, and leave regardless if its casual or ranked. Unless I'm facing the same player over, and over again. Then the game is dying.

I agree that Nier needs a full rework. She is a god tier character. Anyone defending this character the way she is now is a fraud player that uses her and abuses her. The black list feature looks very promising dealing with them.

[Lecorbak]

Originally posted by MysteryK:

He is doing the right thing so she gets fixed asap or let the game die.

^ this

[MysteryK]

She will be available in today's free rotation.

[Infevo]

At this point I have no idea why we should not demand ASW/Cygames permanently ban every single player just for picking Nier. There is no reason for this abomination to exist. If they do not nerf her hard, I will start putting every Nier player on my blocklist.

[Toyosatomimi no Miko]

They're probably going to nerf the wrong things about her, too.
Her normals and puppet stacks (or the buff from lower stacks) are what need to get hit with the nerf bat, not the actual puppet moves or her fake ass DP.

[Infevo]

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

They're probably going to nerf the wrong things about her, too.
Her normals and puppet stacks are what need to get hit with the nerf bat, not the actual puppet moves or her fake ass DP.

I agree, her normals need to be tuned down. They should be slower and have more recovery. I do not even want her to lose her setplay => let her keep the stacks. But her reversal has to be hit hard. I do not understand why it leads to 40% or even more with SBA while most DPs/parries deal about 10%. She is completely braindead throughout based on this fact alone. If I use my reversal dp I have to be smart about it. Her parry is much more forgiving and the opponent has to safe-jab + spot-dodge + 5L it in order to punish the crap. And then you do not even get the full punish but only a heavily scaled L-version combo. Considering she can full combo anywhere on the screen and does not rely on corner carry at all is a travesty by itself. I think it would be justified to remove her parry completely and not just the follow up.

If they want her to keep everything as it is, then nerf her life to 8k and remove the guts mechanic on her, so that she gets two-touched every round. There is no reason for this psychotic toddler to walk around with as much health as all the full-fledged fighters and warriors.

[Manslayer]

Originally posted by Infevo:

Originally posted by Toyosatomimi no Miko:

They're probably going to nerf the wrong things about her, too.
Her normals and puppet stacks are what need to get hit with the nerf bat, not the actual puppet moves or her fake ass DP.

I agree, her normals need to be tuned down. They should be slower and have more recovery. I do not even want her to lose her setplay => let her keep the stacks. But her reversal has to be hit hard. I do not understand why it leads to 40% or even more with SBA while most DPs/parries deal about 10%. She is completely braindead throughout based on this fact alone. If I use my reversal dp I have to be smart about it. Her parry is much more forgiving and the opponent has to safe-jab + spot-dodge + 5L it in order to punish the crap. And then you do not even get the full punish but only a heavily scaled L-version combo. Considering she can full combo anywhere on the screen and does not rely on corner carry at all is a travesty by itself. I think it would be justified to remove her parry completely and not just the follow up.

If they want her to keep everything as it is, then nerf her life to 8k and remove the guts mechanic on her, so that she gets two-touched every round. There is no reason for this psychotic toddler to walk around with as much health as all the full-fledged fighters and warriors.

There is no guts in rising,also the lowest hp character is 15k so maybe don't nerf her to 8k.

[Infevo]

Originally posted by Manslayer:

Originally posted by Infevo:

I agree, her normals need to be tuned down. They should be slower and have more recovery. I do not even want her to lose her setplay => let her keep the stacks. But her reversal has to be hit hard. I do not understand why it leads to 40% or even more with SBA while most DPs/parries deal about 10%. She is completely braindead throughout based on this fact alone. If I use my reversal dp I have to be smart about it. Her parry is much more forgiving and the opponent has to safe-jab + spot-dodge + 5L it in order to punish the crap. And then you do not even get the full punish but only a heavily scaled L-version combo. Considering she can full combo anywhere on the screen and does not rely on corner carry at all is a travesty by itself. I think it would be justified to remove her parry completely and not just the follow up.

If they want her to keep everything as it is, then nerf her life to 8k and remove the guts mechanic on her, so that she gets two-touched every round. There is no reason for this psychotic toddler to walk around with as much health as all the full-fledged fighters and warriors.

There is no guts in rising,also the lowest hp character is 15k so maybe don't nerf her to 8k.

There is chip protection. And 8k life would be absolutely reasonable considering she deals >4x the amount of damage from a relatively safe reversal, her midscreen dmg is off the charts and she has setplay.

[Manslayer]

Originally posted by Infevo:

Originally posted by Manslayer:

There is no guts in rising,also the lowest hp character is 15k so maybe don't nerf her to 8k.

There is chip protection. And 8k life would be absolutely reasonable considering she deals >4x the amount of damage from a relatively safe reversal, her midscreen dmg is off the charts and she has setplay.

8k life is literally half the hp of the average. Also chip protection isn't guts. She needs to be nerfed not removed from the game.

[Infevo]

Originally posted by Manslayer:

Originally posted by Infevo:

There is chip protection. And 8k life would be absolutely reasonable considering she deals >4x the amount of damage from a relatively safe reversal, her midscreen dmg is off the charts and she has setplay.

8k life is literally half the hp of the average. Also chip protection isn't guts. She needs to be nerfed not removed from the game.

I am curious to what lifepool she should have according to your opinion if nothing else is touched. She is the only character in the game that needs one single block (not hit) in order get her setplay going and reduce 15k to zero. How could you - in good faith - argue that two-touching this degenerate clown character is not reasonable considering her reversal damage on top of what I just laid out. GO AHEAD.

[NeoStrayCat]

@Manslayer
Actually, 14K, with Avatar Belial having that health value.

[Evan]

Originally posted by MysteryK:

She will be available in today's free rotation.

Holy.Mother.Of.God