why censor the game?

[NibbsNibbs]

why is the west censoring a Japanese game? . the west loves their tlou2 and bear humping games but Japanese games are a no go and its hypocritical of them. why are Japanese developers allowing the west to censor their culture ?.

[Oku]

Messaggio originale di moulala2:

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

I highly doubt that as religious purity politics has been dead in the water for over a decade. And I have literally witnessed bear sex enjoyers saying panty shots are gross and sexualization in that manner is bad. I haven't seen the religious types complaining in ages (And frankly I think they would be bothered more by Ladiva than panty shots), while you yourself thought the black void was just fine just one post ago. Nah, that can't be it. It doesn't fit the facts. That's last decade's war.

That is absolutely not true if we're speaking generally. Sexual content is under constant legal assault from the religious right, and anti-porn rhetoric has seen a massive rise in recent years from many of the most well-known right wing commentators. I agree that it has nothing to do with this particular bit of censorship though, and not much to do with video game censorship or toning down in general.

It plays a role in business decisions from companies seeking to release media in the west. A lot of Japanese firms still see America as the "foaming at the mouth christian country" and a lot of old localization policies still exist in American branches of those companies that seek to reduce overt sexual content, at least on some level. There's also the fact that some platform holders, like sony and nintendo, have internal rules about what can and can't be shown sexual-wise and making one version that works on everything just to be safe is just easier.

Hopefully once this current "culture war" is done with we can start making things less taboo and those conceptions will be done away with and companies won't feel like they need to censor media they make to appeal to more people in the western markets.

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

Messaggio originale di Oku:

No response because you know I'm correct in my assessment and any argument to the contrary will just make you look like a complete idiot to anybody who pays even the slightest bit of attention to sociopolitical issues in the west lmfao

You want your softcore porn to stop being censored so much, direct your ire at the people actually causing it to be censored.

Oh man, you nailed it again.

Let me ask one quick thing here, as I am quite confused and baffled by your dizzying intellect... seeing as you're normally very careful with your words, why do you use the phrase "your softcore porn" here? Do you not oppose the censorship? You had just extolled how sexual GBVS was and you seemed very proud of that, but you are suddenly picking derogatory phrases for a specific subset of fan service. I just don't understand the swings here from support to sneering. Does it have anything to do with your avatar?

I support sexual liberation and free expression and think that companies shouldn't feel like they need to censor themselves to avoid the ire of western christian nationalist groups, but I'm also not going to seethe and mald when a heavily sexualized game is slightly less sexualized to appeal to regulations or platform rules, because I know that the fight to make that stop is done sociopolitically, not by whining on the steam forums.

Also "softcore porn" isn't derogatory, that's just what it is.

Curious that you would feel that it's derogatory though, nobody I know that is an advocate for sexual liberation and opposes christian censorship thinks it's derogatory. Makes me question how good faith you're being here.

[William Shakesman]

Messaggio originale di moulala2:

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

I highly doubt that as religious purity politics has been dead in the water for over a decade. And I have literally witnessed bear sex enjoyers saying panty shots are gross and sexualization in that manner is bad. I haven't seen the religious types complaining in ages (And frankly I think they would be bothered more by Ladiva than panty shots), while you yourself thought the black void was just fine just one post ago. Nah, that can't be it. It doesn't fit the facts. That's last decade's war.

That is absolutely not true if we're speaking generally. Sexual content is under constant legal assault from the religious right, and anti-porn rhetoric has seen a massive rise in recent years from many of the most well-known right wing commentators. I agree that it has nothing to do with this particular bit of censorship though, and not much to do with video game censorship or toning down in general.

Understandable and there may be confusion on my part from this, as simply turning off twitter makes right wing commentators completely disappear, as if they have no impact on society or life at all as long as you just stop paying attention to the great social media anger machine. It has done wonders for me but my perspective could possibly be skewed by it.

[Doodle]

you guys are gonna be really embarassed when you turn 14

[Oku]

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

Messaggio originale di moulala2:

That is absolutely not true if we're speaking generally. Sexual content is under constant legal assault from the religious right, and anti-porn rhetoric has seen a massive rise in recent years from many of the most well-known right wing commentators. I agree that it has nothing to do with this particular bit of censorship though, and not much to do with video game censorship or toning down in general.

Understandable and there may be confusion on my part from this, as simply turning off twitter makes right wing commentators completely disappear, as if they have no impact on society or life at all as long as you just stop paying attention to the great social media anger machine. It has done wonders for me but my perspective could possibly be skewed by it.

The problem is that those commentators DON'T just stop existing. They continue to radicalize their audiences, they continue to drum up support for candidates and legislation that supports their ideologies, and lately they get appointed to cabinet positions or put on a list for potential vice presidency. You can plug your ears and ignore politics all you want, but they still happen and impact your day to day life whether you want them to or not. If you care about this ♥♥♥♥, which given your anger at extremely light censorship of a very sexualized game and how taken aback you get at the implication you're not here in good faith, i'm assuming you do...then it's better to be aware of what's going on in the world and actually do what is within your power to make better changes for the world.

[Peddie]

If you bought a fighting game with the hope of looking up the skirts of virtual teenagers in a diorama mode I think that's more of a you problem than a dev problem.

You could've used that $50 to commission an artist to draw you just that instead~

[moulala2]

Messaggio originale di Peddie:

If you bought a fighting game with the hope of looking up the skirts of virtual teenagers in a diorama mode I think that's more of a you problem than a dev problem.

You could've used that $50 to commission an artist to draw you just that instead~

Those same devs fought their producers to make sure there was an uncensor toggle because they hated having to cover up the designs. The people complaining are more in line with the developers than you are here.

EDIT: The clown doesn't make me wrong.

https://grandcypher.com/2020/02/12/famitsu-com-interview-with-arc-system-works-feb-20-2020-issue/


"Sawada: In GBF, Metera’s costume shows a lot of skin, so Cygames’ idea was to adjust it for expansion into foreign markets and for esports considerations. So, we gave her some hotpants in her default outfit, and adjusted her outfit to lower the amount of skin shown. However, if you clear RPG Mode, you can pick her original outfit – this works for Zeta, too, you can get her original GBF costume in GBVS.

Anbe: A lot of the development staff said “We want to keep it!” and we complied.

Sawada: The lead modeling staff said that “Adding more cloth to Metera’s outfit makes her not Metera anymore. Fans of the original won’t be happy.” and wouldn’t budge (rueful laugh). But when we were discussing esports, we said “We might not want to add too many more characters who show that much skin”, so we added the original outfit as a bonus.

Pachi: FKHR (director, GBVS and GBF) wanted to keep Zeta and Metera’s original outfits, didn’t he?

Sawada: He did. When he saw the design sketches for Metera, he wrote some really sad comments. He wrote in red:

“It is with much regret that…”"

That said, I have so many better things to do on the holidays than argue about this and I'm sure you all do too. Deleting all my other posts here and not coming back.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Messaggio originale di FYCTyrrandae:

They also injected western slang and IMO changed characters personalities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8khPrXFIluw

this girl complains about everything that breathes

[Oku]

Messaggio originale di moulala2:

Messaggio originale di Oku:

It plays a role in business decisions from companies seeking to release media in the west. A lot of Japanese firms still see America as the "foaming at the mouth christian country" and a lot of old localization policies still exist in American branches of those companies that seek to reduce overt sexual content, at least on some level. There's also the fact that some platform holders, like sony and nintendo, have internal rules about what can and can't be shown sexual-wise and making one version that works on everything just to be safe is just easier.

Hopefully once this current "culture war" is done with we can start making things less taboo and those conceptions will be done away with and companies won't feel like they need to censor media they make to appeal to more people in the western markets.

It seems disingenuous to pretend that left-wing criticism has had no impact on the decision making of Japanese companies in this specific field, especially as you mock people for wanting it uncensored and call a panty shot "softcore porn" It's the left who throws a party on social media every time a classic character gets covered up for a redesign while calling anyone who misses the old design an incel. I've seen far more localizers who hate this kind of content on the grounds that it's objectifying and are solidly on the left than right wing localizers period, which is particularly relevant here since the NA branches of these companies have much more influence nowadays thanks to the collapse of the Japanese console market and a near total reliance on global sales.

A lot of what you said earlier about right wing rhetoric is correct but I don't think it's bled into video games much at all yet. Even pointing to the ESRB or PEGI isn't accurate here because while they may have been created thanks to right wing activism they're both pretty lax on sexual content; more lax than you even, since games with "softcore porn" aka panty shots get T ratings all the time.

the "left wing criticism" came from a handful video game feminists from 10 years ago who only had any impact at all because they got dogpiled by millions of angry little boys.

Liberal civility politics and tokenism absolutely has had an influence on censorship in media, but nowhere to the extent of christian moral panics. Liberals also aren't leftist. The current overton window puts them left leaning but historically liberalism is a capitalist ideology born of enlightenment era philosophies.

Actual modern day leftists support freedom of expression in the arts. The only time leftists argue for any sort of "censorship' is through the lens of intersectionality where a piece of art is directly dehumanizing or normalizing violence against marginalized people. And even then, it's not so much "you can't do that", it's "if you choose to do that, there are social consequences for doing so", which is not censorship, it's just reactions to abhorrent behavior.

I can personally guarantee you that any "localizer" that thinks sexualized content should be censored on the basis of it being /too/ sexual is not a leftist. They might be liberal, but such ideas are antithesis to what leftists believe.

Actually, strike that, I take it back. They might be a Tankie.

[[FYC]Tyrrandae]

Messaggio originale di Tyrone Biggums:

Messaggio originale di FYCTyrrandae:

They also injected western slang and IMO changed characters personalities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8khPrXFIluw

this girl complains about everything that breathes

And? That just means there is a ton of this crap going on that needs to be addressed. Maybe if these entertainment companies stopped trying to please people that don't even consume the product there would be less complaining going on. If you don't complain you don't get heard, and we know that the people that complain the loudest get their way because all this censoring keeps happening.

And in the case of Rising, is utterly pointless, since it's only in certain areas of the game. They could have nor censored anything and it would be fine, since the people that don't like upskirts wouldn't know about it anyway because they shouldn't be going for those shots anyway right?!

[Oku]

Messaggio originale di FYCTyrrandae:

Messaggio originale di Tyrone Biggums:

this girl complains about everything that breathes

And? That just means there is a ton of this crap going on that needs to be addressed. Maybe if these entertainment companies stopped trying to please people that don't even consume the product there would be less complaining going on. If you don't complain you don't get heard, and we know that the people that complain the loudest get their way because all this censoring keeps happening.

And in the case of Rising, is utterly pointless, since it's only in certain areas of the game. They could have nor censored anything and it would be fine, since the people that don't like upskirts wouldn't know about it anyway because they shouldn't be going for those shots anyway right?!

I actually agree with this take - conservative christian morality warriors don't play games. I don't know why we continue to let them dictate what is and isn't acceptable media to have in the west.

[Sharkofspace]

The same people in this thread crying about nonexistent censorship also want half the characters removed lmao

[William Shakesman]

Messaggio originale di Peddie:

If you bought a fighting game with the hope of looking up the skirts of virtual teenagers in a diorama mode I think that's more of a you problem than a dev problem.

You could've used that $50 to commission an artist to draw you just that instead~

I've got some bad news for you about the target audience of GBVS, my friend. It is very, very horny, from top to bottom. This may be shocking to someone new to the franchise like yourself, but it is quite true.

[Oku]

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

Messaggio originale di Peddie:

If you bought a fighting game with the hope of looking up the skirts of virtual teenagers in a diorama mode I think that's more of a you problem than a dev problem.

You could've used that $50 to commission an artist to draw you just that instead~

I've got some bad news for you about the target audience of GBVS, my friend. It is very, very horny, from top to bottom. This may be shocking to someone new to the franchise like yourself, but it is quite true.

With all due respect you can enjoy tasteful sexualization of characters and lewd theme songs without buying a game just so you can turn a character model upside down and furiously jack off to the resulting panty shot in a photo mode and honestly trying to imply that the reason people like GBVS is because that's all they want to do is...pretty insulting to the fanbase ngl

[SIEGE CREEP (DEADLOCK)]

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

Messaggio originale di Peddie:

If you bought a fighting game with the hope of looking up the skirts of virtual teenagers in a diorama mode I think that's more of a you problem than a dev problem.

You could've used that $50 to commission an artist to draw you just that instead~

I've got some bad news for you about the target audience of GBVS, my friend. It is very, very horny, from top to bottom. This may be shocking to someone new to the franchise like yourself, but it is quite true.

Why are people that dont even own the game allowed to post again ?

[William Shakesman]

Messaggio originale di Oku:

Messaggio originale di William Shakesman:

I've got some bad news for you about the target audience of GBVS, my friend. It is very, very horny, from top to bottom. This may be shocking to someone new to the franchise like yourself, but it is quite true.

With all due respect you can enjoy tasteful sexualization of characters and lewd theme songs without buying a game just so you can turn a character model upside down and furiously jack off to the resulting panty shot in a photo mode and honestly trying to imply that the reason people like GBVS is because that's all they want to do is...pretty insulting to the fanbase ngl

Then I invite you to take a brief look through the reviews of this DLC of the original GBVS. But I advise you to be seated while doing so as it may be shocking to your sensibilities and it may show you things about the GBVS fanbase you would rather have pretended didn't exist.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1400301/Granblue_Fantasy_Versus__Additional_Character_Set_Belial/