Spartan units underpowered

[RAMBO]

I feel that the Spartan units such as spartan heroes are slightly underpowered i expected a bad ass unit but they arnt really

[Maksim]

Laconophilia, google it. Spartans are very good in this game btw. Their models are even taller from others =) And stop talking about events occured 300-500 BC as if we know a lot about them cause we don't, spartans had military tradition ? correct. Did they beat Persians? controversial. Did they beat 4mil with their 300? speculation. Romans ruled europe? correct. Did they beat spartans? correct. Did spartans annexed by Achaean League even before romans beating them? CORRECT.

[Weizen1988]

If Spartans were the best soldiers ever, why was the Roman army made of Romans and not hordes of Spartans? I assume they were very strong and well trained, but thats what everyone says about their own soldiers isnt it? Also, im no historian, but i remember hearing that the germanic people (im assuming you mean them as i think only they have berzerkers in game) were larger than your average roman or greek, and so i could see morale being an issue for soldiers being sent to fight what sounds like a group of large, apparently unarmored due simply to not caring, insane, assumedly drug fueled warrior tribe maniacs known for brutality. I do find IG berzerkers are kinda ridiculous, anything i fight's morale completely tanks and they shatter and run, gets old. Between that and their invisible ninja spearmen i route everything, but beating the AI isnt very hard.

[Chaunsey]

Escrito originalmente por KillerZone:

no matter people in here say about spartan warriors but just a simple observations is Pretorians are having melee attack of some 75+ starting itself where as spartan the best unit do not have any melee which crosses 65. So that is what the point is and it feels very pathetic to play with those units.

thats because roman troops are offensive type elite infantry.

spartan hoplites are a defensive type elite infantry.

defensive type units will always have low melee attack, but high melee defense.

Escrito originalmente por KillerZone:

Spartan faction not only has all undermined units but also they look just like any helenic faction no difference at all.

what did you expect them to look like?


most greek hoplite, regardless of hat city they came from looked pretty similar the fact the spartans are more well trained, doesnt mean they're going to look radically different from other hoplites.



the bottom line of all this is that spartans were professional soldiers, post marian romans are also professional soldiers.

the idea that spartans should be far and above everyone else is just childish.

training is not some kind of numbers game where just because you stack more of it on top, then a soldier is better.

being trained from 7 years old, doesnt make spartans automatically more skilled than other nations profesional troops.


what made spartans so elite is the fact they were professional troops, the same reason why rome was unstoppable.


in reality what made troops the most elite was experience in the field.

spartans were a defensive force, sparta never tried to expand beyond their local region, they were too small, and the political system was controlled essentially by the same folks who fought the battles, so they had no desire to go to war to expand, they were comfortable just controlling their local slaves in laconia.


the roman legions on the other hand fought constantly.


even at the height of their power, a spartan force wouldnt have stood a chance at for example, ceasars grizzled veterans that fought at pharsalus.



the simple fact is, spartans are good, but there is a certain ceiling, no matter what, to the value of both training and the effectiveness of any one unit of men, spartans can be stabbed just the same as anyone. the fact you want spartans to be automatically more powerful than everyone else is just ridiculous.

also, sparta is a minor faction that is meant to be hard to play, and so balanced that way, they are meant to be a hard nut to crack at home, but to be poor at large expanding, hence why their units are limited.

if sparta had ever expanded, most of their army would not have been spartiate hoplites, the spartan system meant that they had a set nummber of spartiate infantry, and could not recruit more, nor could they grow their population to help grow their force.


rome on the other hand grew to be the largest city in the world, and they settled newly conquered regions with retired roman soldiers, so the core roman citizenry and pool from which to recruit from grew constantly.

[Angel Witch]

That's how they should be, this is not "300"

[Aurelius]

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Escrito originalmente por drazan:

because,spartra that you know was 300 if not 400 year before the roman timeframe,so ye makes sense, why u think sparta is a small faction now,they have reached their peak long ago,now they crumble

When there is a unit in Rome 2 TW called Heroes of Sparta, they must be undefeatable as in reality. Simple as that. Whatever the state of Sparta then.

Dude, Sparta has lost its power. They're a crumbling faction along with all of the Greek city-states. In fact in the Spartan's weren't as great as people think. Sure, they were good units and won some battles, but they still lost many, especially after their prime, which is now.

[Jacobite*]

why not rank up your spartans then they would be alot better?

[arealhumanbean]

I have no idea what you people are going on about.

I can reliably rout an entire army on hard with no more than 5 top-tier spartan units. An entire army of slingers being the exception, of course. If they have no ranged, you could manage with 4 units no problem.

[DroppinLoot (DavyDave)]

The Spartan units are balanced and, like the 2 previously mentioned, upgrading them is handy. They're not demigods but they are badass.

[the dark wizard]

Escrito originalmente por RAMBO:

I feel that the Spartan units such as spartan heroes are slightly underpowered i expected a bad ♥♥♥ unit but they arnt really

Sadly it was way past the glory days of Sparta, they still had great quality of spear infantry, but the enemies had figured out the tactics that the Spartans used.

The Spartans placed the strongest units to the right of the army, and they would then puch around the enemie, when this was read by the enemies it wasn't to hard to deal with.

Now, I would have loved to see some more units to the spartans rooster, and there should perhaps be some moddifing to the units, I like to see a higher moral for elite units.

But all in all, they are as they should be.