Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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mod : real persian immortals
is it possible to make the real persian immortals ( historical accurate )
if anyone knows how to change models in the game plz tell me how to do it
thank u :)
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They werent really around at the time of the game as the old Achaemenid empire was gone. Conquered by Alexander and on his death replaced by various greek/macedonian/hellenistic kingdoms and states.
But for the record they carried a bow, a short sword and spear. Sometimes a crappy wicker shield that the persians used but under their vestments they wore armour. a jacket of chain or scale mail. Sometimes the wicker shields had a layer of animal hide over it which would have helped a bit, but still made it inferior to greek shields.

They were also well trained but no match for the tightly phalanxed elite spartans or against the army of Alexander and the long sarissas.
En son Vargas78 tarafından düzenlendi; 24 Kas 2013 @ 23:39
Good idea, I should download a mod with those immortals.
İlk olarak Vargas78 tarafından gönderildi:
But for the record they carried a bow, a short sword and spear. Sometimes a crappy wicker shield that the persians used but under their vestments they wore armour. a jacket of chain or scale mail. Sometimes the wicker shields had a layer of animal hide over it which would have helped a bit, but still made it inferior to greek shields.

They were also well trained but no match for the tightly phalanxed elite spartans or against the army of Alexander and the long sarissas.
well thank u for reminding me how super duper badass those ELITE spartans were and how untrained and weak the persians were. but the phalanx was no macht either for the romans soooooooo if the persians used those tactics like the rromans then this *chough*UNBRAKEABLE phalanx would be in no use . ANYWAY thanks for telling me the details of the armor and clothes . P.S : there are planty of mods that arent historical accurate so why should i care about the time period. i mean there are like TONS of freaking leonidas and GAY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 300 MODS.
They were only called "immortals" because they marched in a 10,000 man horde and anyone who died in battle or for any other reason, they would be immediately replaced by a new soldier. Try to imagine getting this game to run at a decent pace with 10,000 plus lol
yea that would be too epic :D
wait they were 50000 or am i wrong?
İlk olarak Cyrus the great king of Persia tarafından gönderildi:
wait they were 50000 or am i wrong?
Nope. 10,000.

And as to your earlier comment about using Roman tactics, it is more than tactics.

First, Immortals lacked the heavy armour and heavy shields of the legionaries. Their armour was more 'medium' class, and their shields, when used, were definitely 'light'. Compared to Roman super heavy infantry, Immortals were nothing. Simply adopting Roman battle tactics would not have enabled the Immortals to overcome the hoplite phalanx, let alone a Macedonian phalanx.

Second, since the Immortals alone numbered only 10,000 (not quite two full-strength legions) their numbers were insufficient to make them an effective conquering force on their own. They were used as Persia's elite of the elite, not as an army unto themselves.

Third, many in the Immortals were relatives (and, it was said, lovers) of the Great King. Thus many in their ranks were very near and dear to him. The Immortals were rarely allowed to take many casualties before being withdrawn from combat, lest a precious royal cousin or lover be slain.

Finally, the very nature of Ancient Near-Eastern warfare rendered such powers vulnerable to Western powers. In the Ancient Near-East, light infantry and chariots were the mainstay of any army, with medium infantry forming the elite core. Heavy infantry and cavalry were relatively rare. Contrast this to the predominantly heavy infantry armies of the Greeks, Macedonians, and Romans. In such a match up, the heavy infantry armies are at a ridiculous advantage, which is one of the major reasons why Ancient Near-Eastern powers were often soundly defeated by much smaller Western armies. It was not until long after the fall of Achaemenid Persia (arguably the last Ancient Near-Eastern power) that Near-Eastern warfare would adapt enough to effectively resist the heavy infantry armies of the West.

What enabled the Romans to defeat the phalanx was their unique (for the time) ability to make heavy infantry formations flexible. For the Greeks, flexibility came at the cost of troop quality (more flexible hoplite formations were typically medium or light troops, and would still be crushed by the Roman super heavy infantry). The phalanx, while heavy enough to go toe-to-toe with the legions, was not flexible enough, until far too late. Philip V of Macedon, and especially his son Perseus, experimented with more flexible heavy phalanx formations. And it actually worked for a time. Their reforms enabled Perseus to win nearly every battle in his war with Rome until Pydna, where he was captured and his army utterly crushed. Had the Greeks adopted such tactics earlier, or had Perseus not been captured at Pydna, they might have been able to resist Roman conquest.
En son Richon tarafından düzenlendi; 26 Kas 2013 @ 14:02
İlk olarak |WRS™| DecayWolf tarafından gönderildi:
Good idea, I should download a mod with those immortals.

Radeous gives them to various eastern factions, sadly i think without the unlock all factions mod from twcenter you can only use them as parthia though. Be quite fun to play as persia and try create a new persian empire.

As a comment on immortals that Richon missed, Basically Immortals were so strong because the ancient world lacked proffessional armies. The Immortals were a collection of full time soldiers in a world where full time soldiers just werent a thing apart from very special exceptions.

If you count them as the time they were a powerhouse you have to take into account they are a light desert troop, where they are subjected to battles in intense heat and a lot of manouverability they would probably have beaten the Spartan forces. The Greek style troops only really came into their own in more moderate heat where the fairly closed landscapes of Greece allowed them to be walls of bronze and leather.

By the time Alexander came about they were a fairly outdated military style and its no wonder they got walked over by the Macedonian tactics and technology.
That was a good history lesson. I still have to say I would find a mixed unit like immortals. The only mixed unit I can think of in game are Macedon's axemen who can be used as an ok range unit and even do some things in melee. Most of the guys you get in this game are all range or all melee. Even if they were not all too great against heavy infantry, they still were among the more powerful of eastern troops if I read that correctly.
I hope I made my point fairly clearly but I was trying to explain that actually what makes a strong troop in a desert is completely different from a strong troop in colder climates. If you look a bit more forward in time and use the crusades as example, some of the christian troops would be cooked alive in their chainmail because it works like a massive heat sync. Every style of military, even in modern times is fairly situational.

In some cases lightness is far better than overly heavy armour deserts are one of these places. Open plains are another. This isnt reflected entirely well in the game because fatigue doesnt really make as big an influence as it probably should be.
I think you said it well. I can only imagine trying to wear that armor in the desert, running would be terrible with all that weight and the high temperature. I think there is also the factor that they were use to weapons made to cut cloth and leather. If I remember a curved thin blade does great at this, but against a metal plate it does nothing. Mean while the heavier swords of the greeks were made in part for smashing against armor, and it if it works on armor it works on bone.
Greek swords were fairly bad swords. They were built pretty much only to stab, they broke with a fairly easily if they were missused, they also rarely got into situations that a sword would be useful in a fight, much preffering to batter at each other from about 4-5ft away with their spears.

Metal plate until much later times, was fairly rare and hard come by, most armour was made from hard leather, sometimes in wealthy or special cases given a thin bronze sheet to create a composite style. The power of greek arms comes from the dory (a 8-9ft spear) which had a feirce point and was much more durable than the contempory swords. A dory would cut straight through the both the persian wicker shields and their soft leather or thin scale armour.

Partly though because its much easier to thrust with a hip using a spear than a sword, swords are much more arm based weapons, spears use a whole body thrust more naturally than it would come to use a sword.

As a reference point the Persians were armed with much shorter 5-6ft short spears so without an open field and their ability to run around and encircle their opponents it becomes almost like punching a dwarf in the face before he can touch you.
Still my point being the armies specialized in what they met. Even if metal was not a thing everyone in greece had, they had to be prepared for it. Meanwhile the weapons of the easterners would more likely encounter armors that a sword could more easily slice into.
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But for the record they carried a bow, a short sword and spear. Sometimes a crappy wicker shield that the persians used but under their vestments they wore armour. a jacket of chain or scale mail. Sometimes the wicker shields had a layer of animal hide over it which would have helped a bit, but still made it inferior to greek shields.

They were also well trained but no match for the tightly phalanxed elite spartans or against the army of Alexander and the long sarissas.
hey you know what you just made me think of was medievil 2 total war when the turks had good combat infantry but also used BOWs there is no such unit in rome 2 thats ashame
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