Wrath of Sparta DLC , Persia not playable ?

[Blitzwing]

Hi its just dont seem to be right have a Sparta DLC without ability to play as Persia.

[[*UNITY*]_ james]

I agree with Mile, even if Persia had little involvment (I don't know a whole lot with this particular period, so I don't have an opinion on it) is no excuse to not have it at all. If I can feel free to conquer Gaul as Massilia, prevent Parthia's rise as a power in the middle east when playing as a successor kingdom, or conquer half of Europe as some obscure Gaullish tribe, then I should have the right to play as Persia. CA allows us to play factions with at least some of them I bet we didn't know existed. I mean, before this game came out, did most of us already knew about the Boii, or Cimmeria? Besides, it would be interesting to play from the perspective of a complete foreign empire waiting for the right moment to strike from the corner of the map, perhaps a recreation of Darius's invasion?

And no, mods are not the final answer. Yeah sure, they could unlock it, perhaps add a couple units there and there (sadly probably most of those will be based off from 300), but you will probably not see a unique tech tree, cool new buildings, other polish, and the ability to freely play it in multiplayer.

I still want to get it anyway, but I wonder why they don't have any faction in the expansion that can easily be also played on grand campaign mode.

[Zalmoxis]

Escrito originalmente por Berserk Smurf:

Ah, the Spartans and their love affair with betraying Greece to the Persians when the chips were down - great warrior mythos of enormous influence, but they could be slimey buggers when they wanted to. I've always loved (what I consider) the evident sarcasm in Alexander's gift to Athens after the Granicus.

pleseantly suprised someone knows at least alittle about ancient history...useally when anybody says anything negitave about spartans the fanboys attack on queue

[Blitzwing]

just look at the DLC map

http://static2.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/c4/2f/92495982-vollbild.jpg
http://static3.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/05/36/92495983-vollbild.jpg

and the history maps

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/041%20Peloponnesian%20War%20Athens%20&%20Sparta%20Map.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2rem7iv.gif
http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/Balkan1stCce.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1x63MrlUxxM/UDELrHkmKpI/AAAAAAAAAwE/bSuPLz3RW8o/s1600/class-ov-001_big.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/362BCThebanHegemony.png
http://periklisdeligiannis.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/greecemap1.jpg
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~timmoore/BeaGreekweb/Athensempire.jpg
http://www.greecetaxi.gr/Maps/Map.gif


So Thrace, Illyrian, Macedon, Persia "Satrapy of Persia" are anyway as factions on the map.
So why not playable ? Come on, what is 300 without Persia ?

I would like to play as Persia vs this Greek Alliance. Than 4 same Greek factions.

Additionally Illyrian tribe and Thracians would give at least some other Units,
than 4 times same Hoplites vs Hoplites.

[Edelward]

Persia could be playable in mods like Mongols in Medieval Total War 1 :) .
Or played as in MTW 2
Or by getting a fortpost and receiving some reinforcments .
About Greece well the root has been in few Ionians having help from Athens . When Perisans submitted Lydians and other Western Anatolian non-Greeks they started attempts to get those Ionian cities .
But some Greek cities in Anatolia have been more willing subjects of Persian Empire .
All in all you forget history Sparta has been an ally of Persia and won against Athens
by using allied Perisan navy to land troops, unexpected by Athenians .
Though I don't think Persia could have won in Greece due to troops they recruited from their
sbjects being more suited to warfare in the great lengthes of land from Anatolia to Indus and Caucasus to Egypt . Slingers of Judea , dartmen of Kurds ,Scythian type Persian cavalry .
Greece is small and compact due to mountain chains, an army of Empire had little chance against heavy infantry there.
Partians have won against Romans because Romans have not been suited against cavalry charges ,as the Gothic cavalry demonstrated defeating Rome .
While hoplites been suited ,their spears been reinfirced from inside by iron stabs
to withstand the horse impact . The slingers and dartmen could inflict little casualities
but been unable to retreat much in Greece terrain would been reached and slaughtered by hoplites

[Pezhetairos]

Escrito originalmente por Blitzwing:

just look at the DLC map

http://static2.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/c4/2f/92495982-vollbild.jpg
http://static3.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/05/36/92495983-vollbild.jpg

and the history maps

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/041%20Peloponnesian%20War%20Athens%20&%20Sparta%20Map.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2rem7iv.gif
http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/Balkan1stCce.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1x63MrlUxxM/UDELrHkmKpI/AAAAAAAAAwE/bSuPLz3RW8o/s1600/class-ov-001_big.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/362BCThebanHegemony.png
http://periklisdeligiannis.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/greecemap1.jpg
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~timmoore/BeaGreekweb/Athensempire.jpg
http://www.greecetaxi.gr/Maps/Map.gif


So Thrace, Illyrian, Macedon, Persia "Satrapy of Persia" are anyway as factions on the map.
So why not playable ? Come on, what is 300 without Persia ?

I would like to play as Persia vs this Greek Alliance. Than 4 same Greek factions.

Additionally Illyrian tribe and Thracians would give at least some other Units,
than 4 times same Hoplites vs Hoplites.

This DLC is about the Peloponnesian War, not about the Greco-Persian-Wars. It's not 300, and just to make sure, no, 300 is not historically accurate. The campaign map shows no real part of Illyria or Thrace, so I doubt there are any Illyrian or Thracian factions in this campaign, maybe Thracians on the northern border but that remains to be seen.

Oh well...we all knew this campaign would attract a lot of 300-pseudo-historians...no offense.

[Comandante-FOM]

Persia will be added as an extra DLC faction

[Blitzwing]

Escrito originalmente por Sacher-Mazoch:

Persia will be added as an extra DLC faction

So a DLC faction for DLC ?

Escrito originalmente por Pezhetairos:

Escrito originalmente por Blitzwing:

just look at the DLC map

http://static2.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/c4/2f/92495982-vollbild.jpg
http://static3.fore.4pcdn.de/premium/Screenshots/05/36/92495983-vollbild.jpg

and the history maps

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/images/041%20Peloponnesian%20War%20Athens%20&%20Sparta%20Map.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2rem7iv.gif
http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/Balkan1stCce.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1x63MrlUxxM/UDELrHkmKpI/AAAAAAAAAwE/bSuPLz3RW8o/s1600/class-ov-001_big.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/362BCThebanHegemony.png
http://periklisdeligiannis.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/greecemap1.jpg
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~timmoore/BeaGreekweb/Athensempire.jpg
http://www.greecetaxi.gr/Maps/Map.gif


So Thrace, Illyrian, Macedon, Persia "Satrapy of Persia" are anyway as factions on the map.
So why not playable ? Come on, what is 300 without Persia ?

I would like to play as Persia vs this Greek Alliance. Than 4 same Greek factions.

Additionally Illyrian tribe and Thracians would give at least some other Units,
than 4 times same Hoplites vs Hoplites.

This DLC is about the Peloponnesian War, not about the Greco-Persian-Wars. It's not 300, and just to make sure, no, 300 is not historically accurate. The campaign map shows no real part of Illyria or Thrace, so I doubt there are any Illyrian or Thracian factions in this campaign, maybe Thracians on the northern border but that remains to be seen.

Oh well...we all knew this campaign would attract a lot of 300-pseudo-historians...no offense.

Its about Play Nations that are already on the map , not about Historical correctness.
Total War is about play as Nations that are on the map , not about History^^.
http://www.crystalinks.com/pelopwarmap.jpg

[Pezhetairos]

^ Besides Total War also being about the historic setting its placed in, I was just adressing your statement of: Quote: "what is 300 without Persia?" and wanted to mention that 300 is set in the Greco-Persian-Wars and this DLC is set in the Peloponnesian War, therefor any focus on 300 is pointless, also Persia is no major player here.

Regarding Persia being released as a DLC faction: I think Sacher-Mazoch was speaking sarcastically. Persia is a late-game-challenge in this campaign, so I guess it'll never be playable.

But I bet there will be several Persia-mods soon after release.

[Blitzwing]

by rom vs cartage DLC we did have 3 additional factions, that didnt really be a part of the conflict

[Mile pro Libertate]

Escrito originalmente por Sacher-Mazoch:

Persia will be added as an extra DLC faction

I'm betting they are saving Persia for an Alexander the Great DLC.

From my understanding of CA's press release, Persia in Wrath of Sparta (WoS) is going to serve as the "realm divide" for the campaign. CA implied that Persia will intervene once 'one of the Greek cities grows too strong' or something to that effect.

So Persia will be like the Mongol horde, Timurids, or the Ashikaga from previous games. When you have X amount of provinces and you are ready to just steam roll over Greece, Persia will declare war to make the late campaign more challenging.

[Blitzwing]

Escrito originalmente por Mile pro Libertate:

Escrito originalmente por Sacher-Mazoch:

Persia will be added as an extra DLC faction

I'm betting they are saving Persia for an Alexander the Great DLC.

From my understanding of CA's press release, Persia in Wrath of Sparta (WoS) is going to serve as the "realm divide" for the campaign. CA implied that Persia will intervene once 'one of the Greek cities grows too strong' or something to that effect.

So Persia will be like the Mongol horde, Timurids, or the Ashikaga from previous games. When you have X amount of provinces and you are ready to just steam roll over Greece, Persia will declare war to make the late campaign more challenging.

Mongol horde, Timurids were really lame , and Alexander the Great Addon.

Alexander did fight Downfall of Persian Empire,
is just fight down a weak, bad organised and almost dead nation.

I wish something more challenging


I wish a full DLC, not a "we did cut of a lot of things" to sell it maybe later DLC.

[Blastaz]

The problem with playing as Persia is gameplay.

Either you own 80% of the map, play like an human and steamroll Greece in 10 turns.

Or you have a massive bunch of restrictions on you: high revolt risk, armies locked in place untill attacked, massive unit costs etc. etc. which aren't much fun to contend with and arent really in the TW style.

Sure play the DLC with a faction unlock mod. But if you play it properly as Persia you will win the game before it even really starts.

[Berserk Belta]

Thre isn't much advantage to be had playing as Persia with the map as it seems, if you look East you basically get the Bosphorus -> Hellespont -> Ionia and a little bit extra.

No room for the Persian empire there, in fact mostly just Greeks.

[Blitzwing]

exactly there is only a part of this empire.

1 if you start to be hostile, all are vs you.
2 you wont get as player any reinforcements
3 well lot of rebels and provinces that dont really take you serious give additional chalange
4 just admit, you have bad units and has to fight strong greek units, thats a chalange,
not crush with your high level hoplites one army after another.

o je look at me i have not 300 spartans, i have 3000 Spartans^^
look at me I let autowin each battle , one after another, just rush the Athenians and than push vs persia the auto win button all the time, so much fun^^

[Ammianus Marcellinus]

Escrito originalmente por Ganglion Phoenix:

Ah, the Spartans and their love affair with betraying Greece to the Persians when the chips were down - great warrior mythos of enormous influence, but they could be slimey buggers when they wanted to. I've always loved (what I consider) the evident sarcasm in Alexander's gift to Athens after the Granicus.

Yip, that's what the Spartans were famous for. What else? Yes I remember, If you are not careful enough they might crawl up your ars(e). So Spartan. Bumping in on each other's back in the phalanx, pushing, shoveling into each other's sweaty bodies. Yes those Spartans knew how to drill, that's for sure!