Legendary difficulty FTW?

[Turca]

So i am playing 2 legendary campaigns right now. 1 with Sparta on WoS map and 1 with Scythia on main map. The Scythia campaign is really really easy. I havent lost any battles yet. I am expanding really quickly althought there are some little difficulties.On the otherhand as sparta its brutally hard. Everybody was hating me (-400 to -500 relations) for taking Athens. Still i overcame them and then controlled the southern parts. Now i was thinging. should i betray Macedon (i had good relationship with) or go throughtt the seas and attack Crete Rhodos and Asia Minor. I thought its too risky to transport my armies throught the seas even with my fleet so i decided to attack macedon. The problems are not macedon but the battles and agents. I am getting crushed there. His agents ALWAYS SUCCEED while my agents ALWAYS FAIL. I have a lvl 8 hero agent (i levelled up by keeping in army) and still cant do anything with him he always fails. My armies get destroyed before i even get to battle. They are poisioned or sabotaged while im in attrition area. And now the battles. In a batle the enemy left his archers kind of undefended and i charged in with 3 health units of light cav. I didnt even bother with Hit n Run because i thought they will kill them easily. But then i heard that "one of our unit is leaving the battlefiled" or something like this. 1 unit of archers totally killed 3 units of light cavs and they werent even under fire- If he attacks my skirmisher units with 1 cavalry he easily wins.. Also i have my Spartan hoplites who have really decent stats and they lose to enemy militia hoplites. WHY??????? Thats not what legendary should be in my opinion. Difficulty shouldnt be increased my absolute cheating. Oh and also battles again. I had 3 units of medium melee cavalry and 3 of his light cavs beaten them. Really CA really? Thats not really "Creative" Assembly. I know they believe legendary means its hard by any means even if thats cheating. Thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Sarkin]

hm.. So.. you want legendary to be..less hard? i haven't tried Legendary in Rome 2. cause in past Total War games 'Legendary" meant i had to play with a restricted camera and i prefer being able to look all around the battle field while the enemy is approaching an plan things out.

but.. o.O the whole point of 'legendary' is to be super hard . though alot of people seem to find it quite easy . personally i tend to lose alot i always try to build armies realistically an not exploit anything that might fall into the realm of OP so my battles usually aren't to one sided.

but..um either deal with it o.O or lower the difficulty. though betraying ones allies. generally :p I'd say its Karma for being dishonourable ^.^

[Turca]

thats ok but legendary shouldnt mean your agents are useless and you cant beat archers with cavalry. While he even beats my spearmen with cavalry with a frontal attack not even back attack. And yes as Scythia it its really easy. The AI is and always has been super weak against horse archer warfare. Every game(which contains horse archers). (Shogun is an exception because horse archers cant shoot backwards)

[MRC]

You realize WoS Is more of a peace keeping mission?

[Turca]

Yes i know this is why i have so big relation penality. Because everybody wants to keep balance between greek states and they dont want somebody too powerful. Thats why Athens has much enemies at start and thats why they all hate me now. I rather have problems with agents and combat balance.

[[VN] Michael Doan]

oh dude, legendary rome 2 is the easiest since the "legendary mode" appear

1st: what did you upgrade your agent to do ? you can't expect a training champion to do any sabotage, assassination effectively no spies to oversee your armies ??? of course enemy agents got buffed, you're expecting any thing less ? a player agents with proper level up trait had about 50% poison success at 1st level and up to 80%

2nd: why why did you betray your ally for, you traitor :)))))

3rd: what's that archer you charge your cav into? what's your cav type, melee cav or shock cav ? I don't have WOS but that doesn't sound right, normally even on legendary, the charge is enough to kill alot of archer cause they don't have bracing bonus and in loose formation, the only explanation is you messed up your shock cav charge and they're in melee , that's bad, really unhealthy for your light shock cav. the normal archer will be routed, but if it's an elite units like royal peltat in vanilla game, your light cav means nothing, no matter what type it is

Last (thank god): it's perfectly normal for that to happen in legendary game, that's not new, it has ocurred since rome 1 and that makes fighting late Rome units a nightmare

[VhagarTheLastOne]

Shogun 2.

[Turca]

i upgraded my agents to heve better assassination poisioning etc because i wanted to get rid of his agents or poision some armies. They even failedl with 50-60% success chance. I used agents about 15 times only one succeeded so i rather stopped spending money on agent actions. Second the cavary is the basic greek light melee cavalry. I am sure they were not shot by other skirmisher units because it was the only one and there were no other units around either. The archers were mercenary Kretan Archers.

[[VN] Michael Doan]

hmmm I just checked, your light cav only had 35 morale, there's your problem, they're even lower than a Perioikoi Hoplite, if you messed up the charge, they're in melee, and they are poor shock cav, so they will not survive long in melee.

Maybe 3 very poor morale units chain rout, next time charge from the rear, make sure the charge is solid, you shouldn't charge 3 shock cav at the same time, they will bunch up on the charge and reduce effectiveness of the charge, or better yet, charge at the flank or rear and see if it's better :)

About the agent, you do know that there's some kind of RNG mechanic that prevents people from quick save/ quick load spam before every agent action right ? I'm gonna assume you did that because you can't possibly use agents 15 times on the same target every turn, AI is smart enough to kill your agent pretty quick (at least in my case). if you quick load- apply the same action - they will always have the same result. But assuming you're on legendary, so that's 15 different targets, then the percentage is different in every cases, 50, 60% is not that high as you may think (statistically).

Overall, if you can't play legendary cause it's cheating to you, play Very Hard, you can change the battle difficulty there, and if you hate agent shadow war, find a mod that remove them, there're plenty of them out there