Is Rome II better or worse than Rome I?

[Saturno]

I have Rome I only for now, and I would buy Rome II for its new contents, but a lot of people say that the first game is better and this made ​​me very confused.It is worth taking Rome 2?

[Jasan Quinn]

Neither is "better" than the other.

Rome I is a superior game in some respects, but I think people too readily ignore the silliness and flaws. For example, in Rome II the AI's diplomacy is based on actual in-game events, as opposed to being decided by plucking an action out of a hat. You know how in Rome I people would never surrender even if they had one town and half a million legionaries around the wall? Now the AI will try and make peace if the war doesn't go their way.

I would say that Rome I has much better plains battles, but given how broken siege warfare was I have to give that to Rome II. Rome II also removes sieges from most settlements, so you don't spend the entire game climbing over walls.

If I had to summarise, I guess I would say it as follows: Rome I generally has greater depth to it, but at the cost of useability. Rome II is much more user-friendly, but at the cost of depth.

So, in closing: if you are the sort of person who only ever plays Rome I on Easy or Normal, you will probably like Rome II. It gets rid of some of the frustrating stuff (like having to send diplomats to every corner of the map), the mechanics are generally more forgiving and the learning curve is shallower. However, if you are the sort who plays VH/VH Numidian campaigns then Rome II is probably not going to give you the challenge you desire.

[Stelly]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από God:

More factions, more units, more maps, more battletypes, more characters, more abilities, more traits and retainers, more deployables, more techs, more buildings, more agent actions, more diplomatic options, more political options, stances, traditions, ally levies, more random events, more edicts than any other Total War...

Shall I keep going?

Yet Rome 1 still feels far more epic no matter playing with 2card armies or 20card armies in an open field or in a siege or just managing your family in strat map.
All your mores are worthless advertisement talk especially since you assume there are people stupid enough to buy DLC after Rome 2 has been such a retarded failure.

[Corvo]

I only played the free weekend so I cant say for certain, but a friend of mine sent me this a long time ago http://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1qwj7a/everything_rome_1_had_that_rome_2_doesnt/

[WhatIsLove?]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Coleron2:

the OP already decided, so guess no more use being subscribed. Just turning into a troll fest.

So i play tw since rome 1 but you were just wrong. Vanilla rome 2 vs Vanilla rome 1 is hilarously better.

Haha in rome 1 the ai just made a single line of units and charged at you. Even barbarian invasion was not much better.

In rome 1

Gaul 1 was faction germany 1 faction with phalanx xD greeks and macedon? were destroyed anyway everygame, spain 1 faction.

Not to mention that the 'greek city states' were 1 nation too. Nice city states :)

Not much more factions in rome 2? basically every tribe is a faction now which is historical

Yeah rome 1 was so much better than rome 2... not :)

Dont let us get started about stack spamming clone cities no province system and alot more.

And dont come at me with the usual argument about no intro videos or city view who cared about them?

Fam tree? yes was a neat feature but does it change anything when your not roleplaying? not at all.

So to op yes its a great game now. It was decent before patch 15 (emperor edition) but battles were to fast and arcade.

Now its a great game with TONS of content. I advice playing with the blood and gore dlc... makes the game so much better :)

[WhatIsLove?]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Corvo:

I only played the free weekend so I cant say for certain, but a friend of mine sent me this a long time ago http://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1qwj7a/everything_rome_1_had_that_rome_2_doesnt/

right. But most of the stuff is obsolete anyway since it never worked ( diplomatics give region) rome 1 diplomacy was useless. ai attacked you when you had no troops on borders ally or not they did not care. Hell modders even created a thing called 'forced diplomacy' where you had to roleplay and basically decide that now shall be peace with a nation your at war with...

Then when it declared war on you on the next round for no reason you forced diplomacy again.

I wont bother with the rest of the pointless things that were in rome 1...

The only thing which i could understand people are missing but i personally dont mind is the fam tree.

Sometimes i feel like im the only one who doesnt sees rome 1 with rose tinted glasses...

[Berserk Slayer]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από FraGG:

Sometimes i feel like im the only one who doesnt sees rome 1 with rose tinted glasses...

You aren't. I loved the game, but I agree people do talk a load of old rot about it.

[Knutticus]

I don't think Cilician Pirates are in Rome II.

They were in Rome I as a Mercenary Unit Armed with Harpoons, recruited from round and about Cyprus. Useful against Elephants and Chariots and decent in Melee.

Had a hope they'd appear as a Naval Power in Rome II but I've not seen them, other than as an event when you play Seleucia and have the option to Ally with the Pirates or try and stamp them out.

And you don't get Screeching Women or Chanting Clergy.

You do get Blokes in Crocodile skins playing as Egypt in Rome II though.

It's Swings and Roundabouts really.

On Sale you'd get your moneys worth out of it.

[Hannibal Barca]

YOU Cannot compare them Directly because of technology deference is 100 years in tech time. BUT if the same group that created Rome1 had that same budget and tools that Rome2 had , I believe they would have built a superior game. Rome1 had limitation just look at the file sizes and with that limit amount they created one of the best games at that time, look at Rome2 and no one says itsone of best game right now.

[Optimus Princeps]

Worse.

[WhatIsLove?]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από DeathMarch:

YOU Cannot compare them Directly because of technology deference is 100 years in tech time. BUT if the same group that created Rome1 had that same budget and tools that Rome2 had , I believe they would have built a superior game. Rome1 had limitation just look at the file sizes and with that limit amount they created one of the best games at that time, look at Rome2 and no one says itsone of best game right now.

Reason is the bad start of rome 2. Remember everyone trashing that poor ai guy?

Would have the game just released at patch 15 everybody would praise the ai and say how good the game is.

But feelings of people are still so hurt that they dont see it. They will still say the ai sucks which is just not true anymore.

I bought the game on release day. I was not really pleased but come on you have to give credit where credit is due

Edit: also vanilla shogun 2 is the most copy paste game to me ever. Plus you had realm divide... talking about civil wars in rome 2 yet nobody ever complained about the REALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥ realm divide in shogun 2 and comon opinion is its the best game yet.

It got pretty boring to me pretty quick.

[Optimus Princeps]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από dyne2alex:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Coleron2:

Dont believe all the "its fixed now" comments, my gameplay is exactly the same as a week after when it released. The ai is still retarded and stands next to an open gate while oil is dumped on them for 10 minutes (not exagerating, I watched the timer), and the ai still happily enjoys sitting in the mountains during the winter and loosing 90% of their army for some unknown reason.

Its playable with mods, but its still not good enough to be a rome 1 with nicer graphics. Rome 1 is much better, basically theyve been getting worse and worse since medieval 2, excluding shogun 2.

lolwut? Even before EE, they haven't burned down my gates and rushed through..... just laddering every day all day. Do you even rome bro?

Strange my enemy usually drops their ladders when I attack them and then are unable to pick them back up.

[Optimus Princeps]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από FraGG:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από DeathMarch:

YOU Cannot compare them Directly because of technology deference is 100 years in tech time. BUT if the same group that created Rome1 had that same budget and tools that Rome2 had , I believe they would have built a superior game. Rome1 had limitation just look at the file sizes and with that limit amount they created one of the best games at that time, look at Rome2 and no one says itsone of best game right now.

Reason is the bad start of rome 2. Remember everyone trashing that poor ai guy?

Would have the game just released at patch 15 everybody would praise the ai and say how good the game is.

But feelings of people are still so hurt that they dont see it. They will still say the ai sucks which is just not true anymore.

I bought the game on release day. I was not really pleased but come on you have to give credit where credit is due

Edit: also vanilla shogun 2 is the most copy paste game to me ever. Plus you had realm divide... talking about civil wars in rome 2 yet nobody ever complained about the REALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥ realm divide in shogun 2 and comon opinion is its the best game yet.

It got pretty boring to me pretty quick.

Dude you cannot be serious about the Siege AI not being trash. I will admit some of the open field battles are good but when it comes to attacking larger cities(I love defending large castles and what not) they AI is broken to all hell. I will put troops outside walls to defend from ladders and the enemy will just dump the ladders and glitch out being shot to ♥♥♥♥ with my archers. Even after all my troops are dead they refuse to pick up their siege equipment I think the mechanics do not allow it so instead they torch down my walls. After their two seperate armies torch my two seperate sided walls one army will charge in while the other walks all the way around my gates to follow them......... Literally right next to my walls and towers.... any that do make it over there clump up at my gate until they all burn to death from oil. Bravo me I just defended my capital with only a small garrison against a force 10X my size..... woooo glitchy AI real fun. Where is the challange if this happens? I am unable to lose the game ohhh wait nvm I forgot late in game the random civil war will strike and I will lose half my Empire to a bunch of randoms that I have no control over.... Weird my taxes are all low,everybody is happy and havent lost a battle in years so what just happened? Atleast in Shogun 2 you can prepare for the Realm Divide, building up your forces and economy while getting a few powerful allies to help you with it.

Rome 2=broke.

[Jelly]

As others have said wait for a sale. And don't play vanilla just don't do it.

[WhatIsLove?]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Ragnar Lothbrok:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από FraGG:

Reason is the bad start of rome 2. Remember everyone trashing that poor ai guy?

Would have the game just released at patch 15 everybody would praise the ai and say how good the game is.

But feelings of people are still so hurt that they dont see it. They will still say the ai sucks which is just not true anymore.

I bought the game on release day. I was not really pleased but come on you have to give credit where credit is due

Edit: also vanilla shogun 2 is the most copy paste game to me ever. Plus you had realm divide... talking about civil wars in rome 2 yet nobody ever complained about the REALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥ realm divide in shogun 2 and comon opinion is its the best game yet.

It got pretty boring to me pretty quick.

Dude you cannot be serious about the Siege AI not being trash. I will admit some of the open field battles are good but when it comes to attacking larger cities(I love defending large castles and what not) they AI is broken to all hell. I will put troops outside walls to defend from ladders and the enemy will just dump the ladders and glitch out being shot to ♥♥♥♥ with my archers. Even after all my troops are dead they refuse to pick up their siege equipment I think the mechanics do not allow it so instead they torch down my walls. After their two seperate armies torch my two seperate sided walls one army will charge in while the other walks all the way around my gates to follow them......... Literally right next to my walls and towers.... any that do make it over there clump up at my gate until they all burn to death from oil. Bravo me I just defended my capital with only a small garrison against a force 10X my size..... woooo glitchy AI real fun. Where is the challange if this happens? I am unable to lose the game ohhh wait nvm I forgot late in game the random civil war will strike and I will lose half my Empire to a bunch of randoms that I have no control over.... Weird my taxes are all low,everybody is happy and havent lost a battle in years so what just happened? Atleast in Shogun 2 you can prepare for the Realm Divide, building up your forces and economy while getting a few powerful allies to help you with it.

Rome 2=broke.

a few powerfull allies you say... as if allies will stay with you on realm divide more then a couple of turns X)))))))

I dont know if its true but why do you defend outside of the walls then?

Since all the past tws are so gud you should be used to be playing a certain way so that the ai has a chance :)

Older tws = not broke, not at all.

You know what? its better you stay with the older tws and have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ everything. I stay with rome 2 and enjoy the fruits of the new game. Since i never stay outside of walls while under siege i dont even got your problem. IF that 'bug' is really there anyway.

I wonder when your outside of a wall while under siege you have an advantage anyway and will win regardless so what nonsense is this?

[76561198116115712]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Stelly:

fail

So were you going to form an argument, or just keep spouting subjective nonsense like "more epic?"