Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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ROME 2 LOTR THIRD AGE OVERHAUL MOD
its pretty clear everyone wants it, would be pretty cool if someone made it.

I would def pay for a third age mod over another CA dlc

ps. yeah i already no 100000000 ppl have already asked for this
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Pretty sure if Warner Bros gets wind about it they will shut it down fast, after all they own the LoTR license or whatever - a free mod is basically preventing their potential profits, so they have every right to shut down unofficial LoTR content. Just like they did with the free Middle earth roleplaying project mod for Skyrim.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/10/05/62775-warner-bros-shut-down-free-skyrim-lord-of-the-rings-mod/
Laatst bewerkt door Spec; 19 mrt 2014 om 17:19
Its unlikely to happen for rome 2 since they havent released the map editor for modders
sucks that CA is busy making 15 dollar dlc instead
GUYS THIS CANT HAPPEN THE CAMPAIGN MAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MOD THE MOD CANT BE MADE IM SORRY
They made an LOTR mod for MTW 2. That was during the actual movies and releases, they didn't stop them then, they probably won't stop them now. It's free advertising, and they aren't charging. Think Donkey Kong (modder that ran the original mod in MTW 2) though pretty much ruled it out for any other total wars because of the huge amount of effort involved. Was a lot of push to try to get it in Shogun.

Also Tolkien died in 73. IP generally lasts 50 years after the author's death and then it's done. So in 9 or so years this will be a moot discussion.
Laatst bewerkt door cniht; 19 mrt 2014 om 18:16
1st who is Tolkien
2nd MTW2's campagn map was modable this one isnt im not arguing this is a fact im sad about it too
Origineel geplaatst door Son of Sparta 3eVolt:
1st who is Tolkien

xD
tolkien is author of lotr
It'll never happen for two reasons.

First, the Warscape engine (Empire onwards) is too complex and "closed" for total conversion mods. It favors tweaks and reskins but makes creating and introducing new models and custom campaign maps incredibly hard or impossible. This is why 99.99% of the unit packs on the workshop are actually existing models just with custom or reassembled textures. I think there's only ONE mod on here that adds a new model and that's the Qin one. Naturally, new models and a custom map are the most important things needed for total conversions.

Secondly Warner Brothers has proven they will shut it down. Third Age came out before the LOTR game rights passed from EA to WB so that's why that mod was allowed to exist but since MERP was still in progress the lawyers at WB brought down the cease and desist hammer on it. Clearly they don't want anyone infringing on their rights so they will take steps to ensure that.

Origineel geplaatst door cniht:
They made an LOTR mod for MTW 2. That was during the actual movies and releases, they didn't stop them then, they probably won't stop them now. It's free advertising, and they aren't charging. Think Donkey Kong (modder that ran the original mod in MTW 2) though pretty much ruled it out for any other total wars because of the huge amount of effort involved. Was a lot of push to try to get it in Shogun.

Also Tolkien died in 73. IP generally lasts 50 years after the author's death and then it's done. So in 9 or so years this will be a moot discussion.

I. It's not free advertising. How could it be? You might be able to say that if WB owned CA and by extension the TW games as this would inspire people to go out and get the TW to run the mod, but since that is not the case it leaves nothing for WB to gain.

II. I'm pretty sure you're pulling that 50 years thing out of your rear. I've never heard anything like that before. If that were true there would be SO MANY films, television shows, books, and other things in the public domain right now.
Laatst bewerkt door Fear2288; 19 mrt 2014 om 19:13
Crazy Alchemy (Verbannen) 19 mrt 2014 om 19:16 
Origineel geplaatst door Flimster3:
Its unlikely to happen for rome 2 since they havent released the map editor for modders

Wow CA is just horrible.
I would rather they keep working on history rather than lord of the happy hobbits.
no matter how badly you want it..You will never realy live in Middle Earth
Origineel geplaatst door Fear2288:
It'll never happen for two reasons.

First, the Warscape engine (Empire onwards) is too complex and "closed" for total conversion mods. It favors tweaks and reskins but makes creating and introducing new models and custom campaign maps incredibly hard or impossible. This is why 99.99% of the unit packs on the workshop are actually existing models just with custom or reassembled textures. I think there's only ONE mod on here that adds a new model and that's the Qin one. Naturally, new models and a custom map are the most important things needed for total conversions.

Secondly Warner Brothers has proven they will shut it down. Third Age came out before the LOTR game rights passed from EA to WB so that's why that mod was allowed to exist but since MERP was still in progress the lawyers at WB brought down the cease and desist hammer on it. Clearly they don't want anyone infringing on their rights so they will take steps to ensure that.

Origineel geplaatst door cniht:
They made an LOTR mod for MTW 2. That was during the actual movies and releases, they didn't stop them then, they probably won't stop them now. It's free advertising, and they aren't charging. Think Donkey Kong (modder that ran the original mod in MTW 2) though pretty much ruled it out for any other total wars because of the huge amount of effort involved. Was a lot of push to try to get it in Shogun.

Also Tolkien died in 73. IP generally lasts 50 years after the author's death and then it's done. So in 9 or so years this will be a moot discussion.

I. It's not free advertising. How could it be? You might be able to say that if WB owned CA and by extension the TW games as this would inspire people to go out and get the TW to run the mod, but since that is not the case it leaves nothing for WB to gain.

II. I'm pretty sure you're pulling that 50 years thing out of your rear. I've never heard anything like that before. If that were true there would be SO MANY films, television shows, books, and other things in the public domain right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries%27_copyright_lengths

The Life + 50 comes from TRIPS agreement which established a universal minimum of Life + 50 years. However, countries are able to make it longer if they wish. It's also important to note that Copyright only matters in the country you're in. So even though Tolkien was from the UK it's US law that is important and when it was registered, NOT UK law. Likewise in France it's French law, etc, etc, etc. China is in there too, but heh copyright? what copyright? Their's is LIfe+50 for only 'citizen's' works. (In other words foreign companies/authors/creators can get ripped off the moment a State owned Chinese company wants to make use of it) Also the reason you've never heard of that is because you're 1) young. 2) US-centric (arrogantly American). I won't go too deep into that except to simply state the world does not revolve around the US in all things. Regardless how much we Americans like to think it does.

Note that the US law is Life+70 (now) But it was not when the original works were published. As such it makes the LOTR situation different, not only that but Tolkien and his publisher in the US actually screwed up the copyright filings for the first book, and he had to actually go back and edit his text with corrections and additions so he could refile it and gain copyright. This was mostly because a publisher by the name of ACE books was able to make an unauthorized edition and sell it in the US. If you can ever find one of those ACE unauthorized editions I'd say that's worth a goldmine. It's also important to note that Tolkien started an unoffical and unorganized boycott that got the ACE books pulled by simply writing a small note on the back of the Authorized version as well as replying to fans stressing the importance of the version paying him royalties. The note mostly consisted of (paraphrase) "please buy the books from this publisher as it's the only Authorized version." Little interesting history but back to the specific US copyright on LOTR.

Tolkiens work was published in the US before 1978 which makes it a bit tricky to figure out the timestamp. (This is what I actually had to look up) Also an important thing to note for your movies it's a god aweful 95 years which is why you don't see any of them. That's mentioned in the link above. It turns out that this same type of length applies to Tolkien's work as well. Why? Well because it was originally 28 years initial term of publication + 28 years for a secondary term. Then it became 28 years + 47 years (1976 revision) and then finally 28 years + 67 years (1998 revision, this was the act that also changed the post 1978 works from Life + 50 to Life +70) Since the Authorized copyright ladened edition was published in 1966 that means we won't get anything until 2061. Which if you do the math is actually WORSE then the Life + 70 that is on the books now given that Tolkien died in 1973, which would translate into 2043. But I'm not woried, China will rule the world by 2050 and we'll have a chinese MMO of LOTR or some ♥♥♥♥ by then.

As for the free advertising. It is if you are never going to act on the IP and licensing. This is where WB and others also manage to piss people off. They sit on these things, they don't produce games, or the games they do license and produce are from such varying genres that they don't encrouch or take away from each other. They also usually suck. One of the biggest reasons for IP reform is Fing copyright trolls that just sit on things. They should be made to USE the copyright or lose it after a given period of time. That time should be short as well, no more then say 5 years. Naturally this would only apply to secondary holders not primary holders, unless it's an unpublished or unproduced work. Then even the primary holder should be subject to this limitation. Would keep drug companies from sitting on patients, etc, until the older one expires which they notoriously do.

Notice that WB is currently being sued I believe for breaking the Hobbit up into three movies in an attempt to cheat people out of royalties on the films. So they have their own issues. Guess the lesson here is when money is involved expect to get screwed, even when you supposedly own 'IP'.

Laatst bewerkt door cniht; 19 mrt 2014 om 21:03
It could happen but don't get your hopes up for a new map
Didnt someone make a LOTR mod for medieval 2, why cant they make one for rome 2, i would like to play it
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