After Rome II

[Lawh]

There's been a lot of talking about what the next TW era be.

I think the best era would be somewhere betweem around 500AD to 1300. There's a lot of history and interesting stuff during that time in europe, and there hasn't really been a TW game in that era, not since medieval 1, and that was in an expansion. You had a lot of different cultures moving around and creating empires. You had the Byzantines in the east, the franks, saxons, the vikings in denmark and norway, the rise of islam. You could even add finland and the slavic areas to the east. The map could be as big as the Rome 2 map is, or even bigger, sicne the vikings did travel around a lot. I find this era interesting, since rarely this stuff is studied in basic education or in films etc.

Meieval total war would be nice, I wouldn't complain, but I would like to see something new. And perhaps they can create a system (which to me doesn't seem even the least bit difficult) with which the campaign could go for 1000 years all through the middle ages if needed.

[Lawh]

There was plenty of separation with technology and fighting styles between cultures.

The different shield types in itself used in britain, in scandinavia, in europe, and in the east, can give variety more than in any TW series since M2TW. The different types of metalurgy, for example, viking raiders eventually got their steel swords from frankish artisans, before that they used inferior metal, and continued to use inferior metals generally. The steel also used in the east, damascus steel I think, creates a whole different ball game. The optiosn are limitless. You don't have to make every spear unit in th esame culture the same, or word units the same. You could actually make stealing technology a valid option, in a way that you invade antioch, and gain the secrets to damascus steel. The fire breathing weapons of Byzantines. Mounted Archers with composite bows highly superior to anything found elsewhere. Scandinavian boatmanship, and armor, and ferociousness.

I mean, this is just a one inch tip of a trillion ton iceberg. People have stopped being inventive, there' so much you could do with a TW title, but now people are stuck moaning about troop variety, because CA can't even manage to do that right. The simplest things seem impossible to them.

There is an enormous amount of differences between cultures and in cultures, and information that is there to be read if you would just bother with it (this is for you CA for not doing anything interesting concerning the TW series since Medieval 2 Total War).

[Bojangles]

Nguyên văn bởi Lawrence:

Well, CA has been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up for a while now, since Empire pretty much. But the era of the viking invasions is sort of new, since it was only an expansion in their second title ever.

Shogun 2 was pretty great despite some flaws, it felt a lot more polished than Empire or Rome II at least.

[Lawh]

Yeah, I gotta give them that. I didn't personally like the MP stuff that much, and some other things, at least it seemed they had made a little effort. Though it was a few steps towards the arcade console type with the fighting stuff..

What I don't understand is, that they've taken steps forward, and then taken two steps back, and went on like that until we got Rome II, wihch is barely a skeleton of what used to be. One would think they could add features from old titles and create new and more inventive things.

I just tried the Last Kingdoms mod on Medieval 2, and I like how the battles take a bit longer, and that the soldiers actually get tired and it has an effect. What they could have done with that is make it more realistic, that the soldiers would retreat when both sides are exhausted, and then get back at it etc. Jsut a little idea, but it is what actually did happen in fights. And also, they couldve expanded the whole general camera view thing, and made organization of armies on the field more of a technology thing. Bah too many things to list what they could have done, but I'm sure you get the idea.

On Rome, the battles arent that good, the campaign is so simplified, even though they have alot of factions it makes little difference, they completely misuderstood what makes these games good. I think this might be the last we really hear of teh TW series, sadly, especially if they go for fantasy. I'm not interested, and they have a lot of games covering that, so the only reason they turn to that is because maybe it sells a lot. In fantasy, you don't really need to pay attention to realism or what makes history so interesting.

[Fork_Q2]

I would rather they do an original fictional setting.

[Fear2288]

I came to the conclusion the other day that I would prefer them to make a Warhammer Total War before moving into another era of history.

Why?

Because Warhammer is going to force them to create an entirely new game engine. Rome 2 has proven that the Warscape engine absolutely cannot cut it anymore. Many of R2's actual technical issues have got to be due to the engine (things like siege AI, pathfinding issues, etc) and creating a new one that needs to account for fantasy elements AND having learned the lessons from Warscape AND realizing the game needs to be more mod friendly again will hopefully all equate to a solid Warhammer TW as well as a hopefully good historical one.

[Fork_Q2]

Nguyên văn bởi Fear2288:

I came to the conclusion the other day that I would prefer them to make a Warhammer Total War before moving into another era of history.

Why?

Because Warhammer is going to force them to create an entirely new game engine. Rome 2 has proven that the Warscape engine absolutely cannot cut it anymore. Many of R2's actual technical issues have got to be due to the engine (things like siege AI, pathfinding issues, etc) and creating a new one that needs to account for fantasy elements AND having learned the lessons from Warscape AND realizing the game needs to be more mod friendly again will hopefully all equate to a solid Warhammer TW as well as a hopefully good historical one.

http://www.creative-assembly.com/job/130905/associate-producer-warhammer

Looks like it is a matter of "when", not "if".

I love Warhammer and Warhammer 40K to bits, but an original setting would give them more freedom and would really test a new engine if they do one, the Warhammer world was a bit too small for me.

[Razztazz]

It would make sense that they will make medieval 3 then empire 2 after.

[Spicedstoner]

as weird as it would be id like toos ee warhammer 40k total war but thats me

[Lawh]

Well, sadly then, this is goodbye to the TW series from me.. I've never gotten into warhammer, and I don't like the fictional bodybuilder stuff, they did king arthur for that..

And I don't want to sound rude, but.... Do you guys really think they're going to make a good game..? I mean, that's not in their priority anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, and this sounds like another money grabbing scheme. They know it's going to sell to the fans of warhammer, no matter what, and they make promises like there's no tomorrow, but sadly, there is a poorer tomorrow for us, and a rich tomorrow for CA, no matter how crap the game is.

[Berserk Breton]

I don't see why they couldn't make a good game. Everybody can have an off day, every developer can have an off project. You don't instantly become incompetent because you mess up once. Perhaps you feel this game is so awful you wish you hadn't bought it - fair enough, but one strike and you're out isn't (imo) logical unless they are expressly, clearly not interested in fixing their mistakes.

If they were laughing in our faces or ignoring us after messing up, I'd consider that the warning sign (I've seen that where franchises have died in one or two games), but they're kindasorta making good on it, which is what they often do.

Not that they ever made perfect games, anyway; TW has been a love/hate relationship, the history of CA should teach us to expect some annoyance from every product, even the best ones.

[Fork_Q2]

Nguyên văn bởi Making Circles:

It would make sense that they will make medieval 3 then empire 2 after.

Boooring! Let them do something new for a change!

Nguyên văn bởi Lawrence:

Well, sadly then, this is goodbye to the TW series from me.. I've never gotten into warhammer, and I don't like the fictional bodybuilder stuff, they did king arthur for that..

And I don't want to sound rude, but.... Do you guys really think they're going to make a good game..? I mean, that's not in their priority anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, and this sounds like another money grabbing scheme. They know it's going to sell to the fans of warhammer, no matter what, and they make promises like there's no tomorrow, but sadly, there is a poorer tomorrow for us, and a rich tomorrow for CA, no matter how crap the game is.

There is a great deal of overlap between the two fanbases, this is a fantastic match for most of us! What's this nonsense about not making a good game in an long time? Only Rome II (apparently, not played more than a few minutes) sucked; Empire, Napoleon and Shogun II were brillo!

Fair enough, Warhammer isn't for you, that's fine, don't know where you get this "fictional body builder" crap from, I think you've mistaken Warhammer Fantasy with Warhammer 40K. Sounds like the Warhammer license isn't going to extend past the couple of games, they'll be back to making the next Empire or Medieval or whatever.

[Dredgie]

I like the idea of Medieval 3 but know it wont happen. We could see empire 2 though. Warhammer could be a chance for a new engine which would be very nice.

[Wyvern Jack]

Nguyên văn bởi Lawrence:

(Snipped cuz ♥♥♥♥ rereading the whole first post again. Yall know whats happening)

Sooo just going to put this out there. They have been using Warscape since Empire. How about, now bare with me here any CA and SEGA guys that may or maynot be reading this. How about they do Empire 2, since WARSCAPE IS DESIGNED FOR RANGED LINIAR WARFARE AND NOT MELEE LIKE EVERY OTHER GAME YOU GUYS HAVE TRIED TO MAKE.

Seriously, considering how sucessful Fall of the Samurai was youd think CA would be clued on to the fact they very nearly perfected the use of Warscape with that release. If they put that effect into a new version of Empire imagine the funsies we could have! The Grand age of Piricy! Colonial India and America! The Napolianic Campaigns! The American Revolution and Even quite possibily the American Civil War!

Course. Thats not going to happen. Because fans of the series arnt allowed to have nice things anymore...

[Deniz]

im done with this game. people really want another tw game? wake up. the team that made rome 1 and medieval 2 are long gone.

[ElokoMs]

Warhammer. The human against human scenario with only melee infantry, archers and riders is stale. I want fantasy creatures and magic.