Arverni or Suebi

[nath]

whats better? pros and cons

[Welsh Dragon]

(I'm assuming you are using the latest official patch, Patch 17.)

Arverni are a solid Gallic Barbarian faction. They have a diplomatic bonus with other barbarians, and have many barbarian neighbours of the same blood (see my reply to your other thread when I write it) which helps to form a Confederation.

They also have Oathsworn as a General option and high-tier unit, which is basically one of the best units in the game, and strong (for a non Nomadic barbarian) cavalry, aided by their Gallic Horsemanship trait which makes them even better.

Suebi are Germanic Barbarians, so rely on a more specialist playstyle, based around using fear effects and charges to lower the enemy unit's morale, defeating them by causing them to rout rather than a straight up fight. They can also always choose to fight at night (with their Patch 17 "Terror of the Night" Faction Trait) though you don't have to.

Of the two these are probably the harder to play, especially as a new player, because they require unorthodox tactics. (That said, I haven't played them much, so this is more based on what others have said than personal experience.)

Essentially it depends on what you feel like playing.

All the Best,

Welsh Dragon.

[Delacourt '27]

Yes, Suebi is harder to play since their tier 1 infantry is worse then Averni tier 1 infantry. If you have the CiG, the Averni archer is better then Suebi archer, due to 150 range over 125, while both can deploy anywhere on map and shot while still in hiding. Their tier 4 are about the same, but the Averni also have a better tier 3 infantry if you have the CiG. Suebi also got some boost from CiG and other DLC, but Averni's patch 17 bonus has more advantages then Suebi's

[bansheeonfife]

i would say the suebi, their starting position is a little harder as said. but they can also confederate early on. if you play your cards just right you can have a base of operations as fast, or even faster then with the averni. to me the suebi felt less land locked then the averni do, since the latter has more straight up enemies all around.

[Delacourt '27]

Suebi has 7 other factions to confederate with, Averni has a lot more then that, like all celtic factions that don't have the unit axemen. It's easy to expand with your tier 1 infantry to get a foothold, and your neighbors likes you due to you faction bonus. But this in the eye of the beholder.

[bansheeonfife]

Originally posted by Delacourt '27:

Suebi has 7 other factions to confederate with, Averni has a lot more then that, like all celtic factions that don't have the unit axemen. It's easy to expand with your tier 1 infantry to get a foothold, and your neighbors likes you due to you faction bonus. But this in the eye of the beholder.

theoritically yes. practically no. you are going to piss off some off those factions so far they won't deal with you.

[Delacourt '27]

If you maintain your reputation, most barb factions will leave you alone since they have their own problems to fact, the default "scripted" enemies. And there are a lot of celtic cultures then germanic, more happiness when you capture territories. Also Suebia might be easier to play now, since my experience with them was pre patch 7, but their tier 1 infantry will make it harder for you to fight. Plus Averni also have the gold mine in the beginning.

[Lord of Gnarnia]

As Suebi you have verry big problems with celts and other germanics, if you are a noob play Avernie if you like it to play more tactical try Suebie and attack always at night to kill your enemys because there are not verry strong at open field battles because armour is rare at this faction but it is still my favorite faction.

[Lord of Gnarnia]

May Wodin be with you or Teutates

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Lord of Gnarnia:

As Suebi you have verry big problems with celts and other germanics, if you are a noob play Avernie if you like it to play more tactical try Suebie and attack always at night to kill your enemys because there are not verry strong at open field battles because armour is rare at this faction but it is still my favorite faction.

Both, suebi and averni are challenging factions to play.

So far I didn't feel any difficulty difference.

I personally prefer suebi though.

[LAG]

Originally posted by Nebuchenezar:

theoritically yes. practically no. you are going to piss off some off those factions so far they won't deal with you.

A sword to the throat is the best way to form a confederation.

I've found factions to be much more negoiable when their settlement is under siege.

[Lord of Gnarnia]

Originally posted by Man-at-arms:

Originally posted by Lord of Gnarnia:

As Suebi you have verry big problems with celts and other germanics, if you are a noob play Avernie if you like it to play more tactical try Suebie and attack always at night to kill your enemys because there are not verry strong at open field battles because armour is rare at this faction but it is still my favorite faction.

Both, suebi and averni are challenging factions to play.

So far I didn't feel any difficulty difference.

I personally prefer suebi though.

Oh, there is a big difference not only because the Arvernie have the best swordsmans.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Lord of Gnarnia:

Originally posted by Man-at-arms:

Both, suebi and averni are challenging factions to play.

So far I didn't feel any difficulty difference.

I personally prefer suebi though.

Oh, there is a big difference not only because the Arvernie have the best swordsmans.

And ?

Doesn't change what I've said. There is no difference when it comes to difficulty.

[Lord of Gnarnia]

Originally posted by Man-at-arms:

Originally posted by Lord of Gnarnia:

Oh, there is a big difference not only because the Arvernie have the best swordsmans.

And ?

Doesn't change what I've said. There is no difference when it comes to difficulty.

Play some Rome 2 dude.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Lord of Gnarnia:

Originally posted by Man-at-arms:

And ?

Doesn't change what I've said. There is no difference when it comes to difficulty.

Play some Rome 2 dude.

I did. And I came to the conclusion that the Averni and Suebi are at the same line of difficulty, neither of them is more difficult than the other.

Both are quite medium - hard to play. Same feeling, same strategy, same difficulty.

You might play both of them again, so you are able to notice it too.

Cheers

[Lord of Gnarnia]

Originally posted by Man-at-arms:

Originally posted by Lord of Gnarnia:

Play some Rome 2 dude.

I did. And I came to the conclusion that the Averni and Suebi are at the same line of difficulty, neither of them is more difficult than the other.

Both are quite medium - hard to play. Same feeling, same strategy, same difficulty.

You might play both of them again, so you are able to notice it too.

Cheers

Sure, you can play the Suebi like the Arvernie then you have the same strategy but not the same difficult because the Suebi have not much armour. As i said above, there are not verry strong in open field battles. If you like it to lost good luck. But you already see it in the Multiplayer that the Arvernie are one of the strongest factions in Rome 2 everyone hates Oathsworn.