Pikes or Hoplites?

[Bersaglieri]

Been too long since I played battles seriously. In campaign mode if you had to choose only pikes or only hoplites as your main ground forces what would you choose? I like a very uniformed armor and even numbers of units due to my OCD lol

[Darklordnj]

Pikes are typically better than hoplites, not as mobile, but that doesn’t matter since most of the enemy will be dying to your wall of spears.

[Preacher]

pikes op...

except towards missiles :/

[BIGDOJO]

BOTH! a unit or 2 of hoplites can add a little more versatility to a pike-based army. Likewise, I did a massalia legendary campaign a while ago and found that the faction lost nothing for lacking pike units despite being a Greek colony.. Although going head-on spears against pikes, the pikes will win.

[Bersaglieri]

thanks guys!

[Canadian Ninja]

You'd definitely want a mix of both. Pikes in the middle, hoplites or swords on the flanks. Pikes are great head on, but if it's getting hit from the sides they get absolutely crushed.

[Landstander]

both.

[irvingy]

I build armies around archers. So I naturally find Pikemen to be prey. If your enemies use a lot of archers, especially mounted archers, they are just cannon fodder. They can have a place on the flanks against foes who are melee cavalry heavy or as a second line in your center. All other things being equal I prefer spearmen.

[Salty Nobody]

The AI is too stupid to try to avoid going into melee with pikes frontally so a few of them vs the AI make most any battle easier. The AI is also too stupid to focus the things down with missiles unless the player puts them in the very front or has a pike general.

Hoplites actually have decent charge bonuses, so counter charging often does better than wall.

Use both if both are available. Pikes are one of the main damage dealers of Hellenic armies after missiles, especially if the faction lacks swords or shock cavalry.

[IGX]

Pikes on open ground, hoplites for sieges.