About Boudica

[Nero]

So while playing I like to listen to documentaries and I picked a neat piece of information up while doing so.

Apparenty Boudica was especially historically important since she was the very first female to lead an army against Rome. Which is why they made such a heavy example on her when they captured her and her daughters (I guess you can imagine).

Apparently it really shocked the Romans back in the day to even think that a woman of all things opposed them.

So much for all those female generals running around these days in this game. Unless I am wrong ofc in which case please don't blame me I already listen to more history than the average joe. Then again tteh game stops being historically accurate the moment your campaign starts.

Oh and did the big thread get deleted?

[Mouse]

Boudicca is a faction leader, rather than just a general. Although i agree they did go overboard, i'm sure there are plenty of female generals in celtic tribes who are forgotten to history. Some factions such as Meroe/Kush did have mainly female leaders. Was not uncommon for women to be in charge of illyrian tribes either (Queen Teuta).

[Overread]

Also don't forget that the Roman era spans hundreds of years across a huge expanse of land. There is very little that you can actually boil down to "general Roman era" since there were huge shifts and changes and sublties through the whole era. However common histories and casual understanding often highlights only a handful of key events which sort of mash together somewat into a very short series of concpets that establish "roman" to peoples minds.

The TW games are no different - simply put there's such huge variety its hard to condense it all down.


So I'm sure more than one woman rose to oppose the Romans. That many of the countries where the Romans invaded are not majority english speakers, even today, might also mean that there's a lack of casual historical focus on them if you search through common western media/articals

[Hannibal Barca]

You want to know about the baddest "B" word to ever live read about Al Kahina the last Berber Queen to stand up against the Conquest of Islam in 700ad

[Nero]

Yes absolutely one must differenciate and consider a whole lot.

But still that 60 minute documentation about Boudica spent way over 5 minutes solely with explaining just how severe it was for the roman that a woman of all people was their enemy.

This had serious consequences for example when it comes to morale and honor and integrity and so on.

I think CA handled the implementation of females very poorly.

Historical figures should be present no doubt about it. But it seems like the occurance of common females is way too high. I read that they even appear in the roman senate which was apparently unthinkable.

Also there should be traits for woman just like there are for other things like:

Is Female:

Authority - 5 (having to interact and take orders in politics and war with a woman)
Morale -10 (being led by a woman)
Integrity -5 (being led by a woman)
Influence -10 (female in a man's world)
Melee Attack -10 (frail body)
Melee Defence -10
Speed +1 (so they can run away on the field)
Ambition +3 (the inferiority drives their motivation to make up for it)
Zeal + 5 (there's not just downsides)

Also some funny scripts like when you lose against a woman a secession is instantly triggered since you brought shame upon you. Or at least some party members could leave and form a new one.


Even the iceni as a whole are also implemented very poorly. They sort of welcomed the romans in the beginning and were willing to become their client state in the hope of getting rid of the other rival tribes. However in the game that is completely impossible. It was quite common that due to awe beofer one's might one opened the gates and welcomed them. But in the game you have to subdue every single one of them.

Same in Attila the franks were among their most important allies but that is not represented at all unless you pay ridiculous amounts of money and even that often does not work.

Its a pain to think of all the things that could be better... but hey as long as we have hundreds of small things that give +1% here or +2 of that.

[Nero]

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

You want to know about the baddest "B" word to ever live read about Al Kahina the last Berber Queen to stand up against the Conquest of Islam in 700ad

nice, offtopic but nice input nonetheless.

[Scipio Africanvs]

Yeah, Teuta had a dιck apparently, according to you eh?

Also... documentaries, what a historical and reliable source of information!

[Nero]

Originally posted by SCVTVM:

Yeah, Teuta had a dιck apparently, according to you eh?

Also... documentaries, what a historical and reliable source of information!

So what they base most of the stuff they say on the writings of Tacitus as would you have to do.

Hey if you know better then enlighten us instead of writing about dickgirls, but with source.

[Hannibal Barca]

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

You want to know about the baddest "B" word to ever live read about Al Kahina the last Berber Queen to stand up against the Conquest of Islam in 700ad

nice, offtopic but nice input nonetheless.

I am sorry I have no opinion in this matter because if you make female generals to strong you guys will say they're marysue's and not historical, if you make them to weak you guys will say it' sexist male Inferiority complex, its a no win stituation.

[Nero]

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

nice, offtopic but nice input nonetheless.

I am sorry I have no opinion in this matter because if you make female generals to strong you guys will say they're marysue's and not historical, if you make them to weak you guys will say it' sexist male Inferiority complex, its a no win stituation.

Don't bunch me together with others. You should consider and differeniate more.

Generalizations only work with certain people like muslims for example because they all have to follow the quaran. But hey Ghaddafi was a nice guy. later on so...

Anyway here's the docu if anyone is interested. Its in german thou.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V3l2E46_p8

Also I like this one a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTAR_jA8ag&t=2959s

One can learn a lot in them. Like Roman orgys are quite a myth. Drinking until you can't behave anymore was very frowned upon. Maybe not when caligula ruled but eh another neat thing learned.

[Hannibal Barca]

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

I am sorry I have no opinion in this matter because if you make female generals to strong you guys will say they're marysue's and not historical, if you make them to weak you guys will say it' sexist male Inferiority complex, its a no win stituation.

Don't bunch me together with others. You should consider and differeniate more.

Generalizations only work with certain people like muslims for example because they all have to follow the quaran. But hey Ghaddafi was a nice guy. later on so...

Anyway here's the docu if anyone is interested. Its in german thou.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V3l2E46_p8

Also I like this one a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTAR_jA8ag&t=2959s

not saying you, Ive been on this forum long enough to realise everyone's got a hair up their ass about something

[Nero]

ah I think its just some people having fun on the internet.

[rincewind]

Remember that this is a sandbox game with historical background. Not an history lesson.

[Nero]

Er no the beginning of each campaign is supposed to be highly historical ad CA produced a whole bunch of documentary trailers before launch.

Also I pointed out that the game is no longer historical once you press next turn.

Things are a bit abstract here and there, and there are plenty of deficiences too but still. The aim for historical accuracy is there.

[rincewind]

Originally posted by WitchingSnake:

Er no the beginning of each campaign is supposed to be highly historical ad CA produced a whole bunch of documentary trailers before launch.

Also I pointed out that the game is no longer historical once you press next turn.

Things are a bit abstract here and there, and there are plenty of deficiences too but still. The aim for historical accuracy is there.

Historical accuracy is nice and all but the most important aspect are the gamey ones.
Plus, there's always room for historical fantasy. It's fun. Or alternate history. Which is fun too.

By the way, if you want to change the experience that's what mods are for.
Too many females now? You can easily mod it to lower their spawn rate.
(Yeah, I did it... but the opposite. )

[Nero]

Oh I totally support the gamedesign where the gameplay is just as important as historical accuracy. Had plenty of discussions on the Wargame forums about that one.

I disagree however about mods being there for that. The integration of females is clearly not optimal by CA and should be patched. Then you may use mods to alter the experience.