House of Julii still around?

[Cpt. Kid]

I dont live in Europe but is there a Royal family thats traced directly to Caesar? You figure it would be the Royal family in Italy House of Savoy.

[Blue Knight™]

Well the romans died out, they all got assimilated into the various cultures around them (Lombard, Greek, Visigoth, Frank etc) there is probably a chance the house of Savoy is still connected some what to the Roman house, but i doubt it, inbreeding with royal families was quite normal, but this house was late to the game, and probably isnt connected

[bansheeonfife]

considering the official line died with augustus? no. no there isn't. for that matter the first 12 emperors (julius caesar included, even though he technically wasn't an emperor the same way the others were from augustus) were part of 3, previously destinct families. tiberius for example was a claudian and son to augustus' wive, livia. livia arranged for the death of augustus' three children from a previous marriage. effectivly terminating the julian line. or at least the ones who could hold power and had more of an "my grandparent was a julian"

[Toaster Maximus]

Pretty sure the line died out

[Sargeist]

Keeping record of a family tree for 2000+ years would be impressive but I think the line died out. Technically, they were never royatly though. Monarchy was taboo in ancient Rome. Augustus wanted the position of emperor to be seen as something totally different than a monarchy, and often refered to himself as the restorer of the republic believe it or not. After a few centuries of empire, the power and influence of the senate weakened, and emperors became more autocratic though.

[Blue Knight™]

Originally posted by gopnik squats matter:

considering the official line died with augustus? no. no there isn't. for that matter the first 12 emperors (julius caesar included, even though he technically wasn't an emperor the same way the others were from augustus) were part of 3, previously destinct families. tiberius for example was a claudian and son to augustus' wive, livia. livia arranged for the death of augustus' three children from a previous marriage. effectivly terminating the julian line. or at least the ones who could hold power and had more of an "my grandparent was a julian"

"offical line" yep thats true, but thats why there is a Habsburg-Lothringen as the Austrian prince, the mainline always dies out, so they branch out, i have no doubt that there are still people that can trace their liniage back to Julius, but it is 100% a cadet branch

[OltreBradipo]

There were no such thing as royalty in Rome. The noble class in Italy and Europe was mostly related to the Germanic tribes that migrated during the fall of the Empire. Maybe some Italians have Gens Julia in their anchestry but it would be impossible to trace.

[bansheeonfife]

Originally posted by KoA Blue Knight™:

Originally posted by gopnik squats matter:

considering the official line died with augustus? no. no there isn't. for that matter the first 12 emperors (julius caesar included, even though he technically wasn't an emperor the same way the others were from augustus) were part of 3, previously destinct families. tiberius for example was a claudian and son to augustus' wive, livia. livia arranged for the death of augustus' three children from a previous marriage. effectivly terminating the julian line. or at least the ones who could hold power and had more of an "my grandparent was a julian"

"offical line" yep thats true, but thats why there is a Habsburg-Lothringen as the Austrian prince, the mainline always dies out, so they branch out, i have no doubt that there are still people that can trace their liniage back to Julius, but it is 100% a cadet branch

the habsburgs work on a fuedel principle though. by roman standards the line is dead. for that matter it could be argued the non - official line died out no latter then the year of the 4 emperors.

[Blue Knight™]

Originally posted by gopnik squats matter:

Originally posted by KoA Blue Knight™:

"offical line" yep thats true, but thats why there is a Habsburg-Lothringen as the Austrian prince, the mainline always dies out, so they branch out, i have no doubt that there are still people that can trace their liniage back to Julius, but it is 100% a cadet branch

the habsburgs work on a fuedel principle though. by roman standards the line is dead. for that matter it could be argued the non - official line died out no latter then the year of the 4 emperors.

possibly, we wouldnt know, maybe there was a sister or two who went off with a farmer or a merchant, we dont know, but its safe to say there is a chance still

[Amigo]

This is a Dan Brown's novel material.

[Tom]

all the romans by the 700s or 800s were wiped away its as if they never existed at least in the western empire in the east the greeks are still around so theirs a bit of modern kind of romans over there

[Blue Knight™]

Originally posted by Tom:

all the romans by the 700s or 800s were wiped away its as if they never existed at least in the western empire in the east the greeks are still around so theirs a bit of modern kind of romans over there

wiped away? people dont just disapear, romans still exist to this day, just no pure romans most likely, many cultures mixed in with them, Lombards, Greeks,the peoples of Spain, so on

[Delacourt '27]

Gaius Julius Cesar's family died with him, since his daughter died while married to Pompey. He was Gaius Octavius' maternal great-uncle and adopted him as heir, who also didn't have a direct heir.

The Imperial House of Julii, the main branch, died out. But there might be other minor branches existed since the Republic era survived to present day by living in obscurity, but we won't know since they don't know it themselves.

[Cpt. Kid]

ILLUMINATI is real? I was laughing because I actually believe it. So does this count as Julii because hes Caesars son? Wasnt Prince Caesarion suppose to be on throne in Rome? Rome was no longer a Republic after Caesar did that. That was pretty much a Monarchy with an Emperor on throne.

You know what a Monarchy is right? Its with a Royal family on throne ruling Govt. United Kingdom is a good example of a Monarchy. US isnt a Monarchy its a Republic. You have this noble class type (wealthy businessman is an example) in society coming together in a senate house or republic (Congress) from each state to disucss politics and making laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9w2EX8JBQo
start the video at 1:31:25

[Blue Knight™]

Originally posted by Delacourt '27:

Gaius Julius Cesar's family died with him, since his daughter died while married to Pompey. He was Gaius Octavius' maternal great-uncle and adopted him as heir, who also didn't have a direct heir.

The Imperial House of Julii, the main branch, died out. But there might be other minor branches existed since the Republic era survived to present day by living in obscurity, but we won't know since they don't know it themselves.

or just children of daughters who are distant relitives to the house

[Cpt. Kid]

Would you believe Im a descendant of Prince Caesarion and Im an atheist? I refuse to believe in a religious deity.

I should drive up to Vegas and crashout at Caesars Palace for the weekend.