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You haven't linked a shred of "proof". You have linked the crackpot theories of crackpot "scholars" who have been repeatedly debunked. You have linked to people who are basically the Zecheriah Sitchins of historical demographics. You haven't actually looked at, or considered, the contrary opinions (which is the other like 98%), that NONE of these historical characters you Afrocentrists are trying to claim were black. Hannibal, Septimius Severus, Jesus, the Egyptians (with the exception of the Axumite interlude) were not black, and these have all been debunked again and again. Don't listen to fringe conspiracy theorists, and scholars that have been repeatedly disproved, especially those disproved by primary or near-primary sources.
There are more colors in the skin spectrum than white and black. He would have looked pretty similar to what people in Tunisia look today, probably a little lighter from lack of Arabic influence, but only slightly. That is what the depictions show. Probably somewhere in his line the Barcids had some Moorish or Berber blood (they had been there for at least 500 years when Hannibal was born), but those people aren't black either. Africa isn't black; sub-Saharan Africa is.
The "carbon dated coins" (they aren't carbon dated btw, carbon dating doesn't work on things 2300 years old) you are talking about (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IzrTbKkw--/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/yp2ta6xpuyl4uqh29wft.jpg) isn't Hannibal. There is absolutely nothing linking that to Hannibal. It is a fringe nonsense theory.
Hannibal wasn't black. You don't get to claim him because he came from the same continent as your ancestors. Your ancestors probably come from west central Africa, a place linguistically, culturally and genetically different as China is from India. Stop black-washing history. Hannibal wasn't black, Jesus wasn't black, Egyptians weren't black, Severus wasn't black, Muhammad wasn't black, Kleitus the Black wasn't black, Achilles wasn't black.
I saw that you also think the Phoenicians were black, because you think they came from "the Egyptian Nubians"...what? The Nubians controlled Egypt for a short time, they were not the ethnic dynasty, and everything that was controlled by the Nubians in Egypt and north was taken back by the native Egyptians. Do you also believe the Egyptians were black? I bet you do, because they are from the "land of the black people" right? Yeah, mis-translation of Khemet; land of (the people of) the black sand, the silted lands from Nile flooding, as opposed to the "red land", the sands outside the Nile flood zone.
" Tyre (Tyrus/Tsurya/Surya/Zaaru/Sur) was the largest, the most southern and most important of the Phoenician Canaanite commercial cities. Of all the Phoenician port cities it seems to have had the closest ongoing relationship with Egypt. It was the very center of the dye trade and its origins go back to before 3000 B.C.E. The city of Tyre/Sur was known to the Greeks as ‘Tsyrus’ or ‘Tsurya.’ The Romans called it Tyrus hence Tyre.the legend of ‘Perseus and Andromeda.’ That heroic Greek myth prominently features characters who are clearly identified as Ethiopian and the story is set very squarely on the Syria-Palestine coast to the south of Tyre. (18)According to the legend, on his way home from Libya, the hero Perseus stopped in Joppa, the kingdom of the Ethiopian King Cepheus and his Ethiopian queen Cassiopeia. There he rescued their daughter the beautiful princess Andromeda.Andromeda was chained to the rocks, and was about to be sacrificed to a sea monster that had been ravaging the coast of the kingdom. Perseus killed the monster, and despite opposition from Andromeda’s royal parents, he married the Ethiopian princess and left for home with her. In the story, Perseus dispatches the sea monster of Joppa by using a Gorgon’s head to turn it into stone.As it happens the site of the ancient mythical Ethiopian Kingdom of Joppa can easily be located. Joppa is now called Jaffa or Yafo and is the twin-district of the city of Tel Aviv in the modern day state of Israel. Furthermore visitors to Jaffa today are still show the supposed ‘remains’ of the sea monster. This takes the form of a large rock standing at the entrance of the natural harbor of Jaffa. For the greater part of their history, the Phoenician Kena’ani were very closely allied to Egypt. For one thing they both seemed to have originated from the same part of the African continent. In many ways therefore, it was a fraternal alliance with a record of contact stretching back to the earliest beginnings of both societies. "
The first chromosome from continental Africa (M89) dates back to about 45,000 years ago. This would match an initial grand migration of populations out of Africa into the Middle East and Asia. The second is a more recent African marker which is called M172, and that dates back to just 12,000 years ago; which could lend support to the tradition of secondary waves of migration from the Red Sea area of Africa to the Levant.The ‘Phoenicians’ however called themselves “Kena’anu or “Kena’ani”, consequently they were known as “Canaanites.” The areas where they lived came to be called the Land of the Kena’ani, or the ‘Land of Canaan.’ There are some who believe that in the Canaanite language itself, the word “kena’ani” also meant purple. At any rate in Hebrew, (which is linguistically related to ancient Canaanite) the word Kena’ani refers not only to the people of the Land of Canaan (the Canaanites). It also has the secondary meaning of “merchant”, which is precisely what the Phoenicians were mainly all about: international trading. It is now acknowledged that Hebrew was not just linked to Phoenician Canaanite, but quite directly derived from it. Ancient Canaanite also eventually gave rise to Aramaic as well. This was not a distinctive new language as such, but more the product of a renaming process. The whole Canaanite area was also called “Aram”, and its inhabitant “Arameans.” hence the language they spoke came to be known as ‘Aramaic.’ (10)Unfortunately a number of self-serving biblical myths have done much to confuse the real connection between the Phoenicians and the Canaanites — especially considering what these myths reveal about the ethnicity of the Canaanites. In the Bible, Canaanites are clearly identified as belonging to the group of ‘ethiopic’ or black skinned nations: the so-called children of Ham (Kham). Given the strong influence of “religious correctness ” and the important role that “Phoenicians” have played in “actual” history, perhaps it is no surprise that secular historians always seem reluctant to reveal the real link between the Phoenicians and the Canaanites (Kena’ani). However, recent archeological discoveries have shown that for the most part the ‘Canaanites’ and the ‘Phoenicians’ constituted a single nation.For that reason it should be made very clear that the ancient Canaanites and the people who are called Phoenicians were essentially one and the same Afro-Asiatic people.
Regarding the Phoenicians, Italian anthropologist Giuseppe Sergi noted in 1901 that, "the Egyptians have represented them of a brick-red color, like themselves…" And, indeed, a tomb painting of the Egyptian pharaoh Seti I portrays four Syro-Palestinians, two with yellow skin, two with reddish-brown skin. Were the artists trying to depict two distinct physical types – dark-skinned Hamites and lighter-skinned Semites – known to live in Canaan? We can only guess. The Lebanese descendants of the Phoenicians don’t look particularly black today, but that could well be for the same reason that Vin Diesel does not look particularly black: intermarriagen 1852, 14 percent of Argentina’s population was black. Virtually no trace of this black population remains after 150 years of intermarriage. Portugal too absorbed its black population – which had reached 10 percent by 1550 – through intermarriage. None of this proves that Hannibal looked like Denzel Washington. But it does suggest that we should be less quick to dismiss the possibility.So what is it? (Yes or Sort of?) Who knows? What we do know, and everyone tends to agree on, is that he was not "white". And he was African. Hate to hurt your feelings - ahem - your ego
Genesis states that there were four Hamitic nations: "Cush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan." Mizraim is Egypt. Cush is Nubia, or the Sudan. "Put" likely refers to a land the Egyptians called Punt, which probably lay in Ethiopia or Somalia. Thus, every Hamitic nation, except Canaan, appears to be located in Africa. Even an atheist must wonder why the Biblical scribes believed that Phoenicians and other Canaanites were related to people in Africa. Was it something about their appearance?The Babylonian Talmud, set to writing in the sixth century A.D., records a Jewish oral tradition that the Canaanites were black. In it, Noah curses his grandson Canaan, saying: "Canaan’s children shall be born ugly and black!… your grandchildren’s hair shall be twisted into kinks…"But even an atheist must wonder why the Biblical scribes believed that Phoenicians and other Canaanites were related to people in Africa. Was it something about their appearance?The Babylonian Talmud, set to writing in the sixth century A.D., records a Jewish oral tradition that the Canaanites were black. In it, Noah curses his grandson Canaan, saying: "Canaan’s children shall be born ugly and black!… your grandchildren’s hair shall be twisted into kinks…"Regarding the Phoenicians, Italian anthropologist Giuseppe Sergi noted in 1901 that, "the Egyptians have represented them of a brick-red color, like themselves…" And, indeed, a tomb painting of the Egyptian pharaoh Seti I portrays four Syro-Palestinians, two with yellow skin, two with reddish-brown skin. Were the artists trying to depict two distinct physical types – dark-skinned Hamites and lighter-skinned Semites – known to live in Canaan? We can only guess.The Lebanese descendants of the Phoenicians don’t look particularly black today, but that could well be for the same reason that Vin Diesel does not look particularly black: intermarriage
So your arguments are mythology, economic ties between distant peoples, and that the Phoenicians were Afro-Asiatic, and therefor black. So you don't know what Afro-Asiatic is. Yes, the Phoenicians do appear to be Afro-Asiatic; the Semitic languages do appear to have come from the Afro-Asiatic branch, rather than Indo-European or Dravidian or Turkic or Iranian. That says nothing about race, or skin color.
No, he wasn't white. He was African, yes, but that doesn't make him black. Being African doesn't make you similar to a Ghanan or a South African any more than being Asian makes you similar to a Chinese or south Russian. You are equating African with black, but North Africans AREN'T BLACK, and are still African.
So much of this is wrong. Again, you can't carbon date something from 217BCE, carbon dating refers to dating c14, which doesn't show up for more than 2300 years. Radiometric dating is not carbon dating; carbon dating is one type of radiometric dating. You don't have a damn clue what you are talking about. There are a number of coins that people CONTEND are Hannibal, none of them are provably Hannibal. 1 of them looks sub-Saharan African, and also has the least evidence supporting that it is Hannibal. But you would know this if you weren't intellectually dishonest; you know you haven't done real, unbiased research on this. You WANT Hannibal to be black.
The Bible is not history. Nothing the Bible states makes it true. The Phoenicians spoke a Semitic language. That is not in itself indicative of race, but that is not the only link. The links are many, you are just choosing to ignore them, so you can pretend they were black.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRLLJ4Ni8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DnXV6R0nh0
qoute" Romans, then killed herself. Scipio ordered the city to be burned, then demolished"
https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Carthage-146-BCE
the roman's destroyed everything
https://100falcons.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/what-did-hannibal-look-like/
Polyombulus wrote the following: "Hannibal was white lol" - 426BC
Thanks in advance
Two different documentaries are backed by real P.H.D scholars with the same conclusion.
I wonder is this youtube video a Documentary ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C5HojXg9DM
By the way I gave other links as sources of information too as well. Like the ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA
Let know when you want to start using wiki and books as well.