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Hannibal's father has coins struck supposedly in his image, and yet looks nothing like a typical "black" person. We going to start assuming Hannibal was adopted from Timbuktu?
We good here? You need to be told that the majority of N. Africa were Greek colonies during those times and Hannibal was a very dark (not black) man?
you relize there are some scholars that claim that Hannibal African in orgin he may not even be phoenicians.
quote" Hannibal’s ethnicity and physical appearance
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Hannibal's ethnicity and physical appearance
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In 2014 archaeologist and historian Patrick Hunt revised and updated Britannica’s biography of the Carthaginian general Hannibal, who was born in 247 bce and died c. 183–181 bce. Drawing on years of research, Hunt added vivid details about Hannibal’s life, addressed myths and corrected errors, and provided a gripping account of Hannibal’s exploits. Later in 2014, reacting to a 19th-century engraving that Britannica’s editors had added to the article, a reader raised, in his words, “the issue of whether Hannibal was black or white.” Hunt responded in detail, making clear that Hannibal’s physical appearance is ultimately unknown and that his ethnicity cannot be easily identified or mapped onto modern identities. Hunt’s explanation, published in February 2015 in the comments section following the biography of Hannibal at Britannica.com, is reproduced (with some modifications) below.
The issue of Hannibal’s ethnicity and what he looked like are no doubt vital to many but remain contentious matters even to scholars. Let me try to explain why in the following several points.
First, we have no certain contemporary image from his own time to show us what he looked like. The primary source closest to his time is the Greek historian Polybius who lived almost a century later, and he gives no verbal description. No other ancient sources that have survived do either. We do have the curious information that he was possibly prone to disguising himself at times. There may be a few silver coins from the Punic culture in Spain, most likely minted around the mid-to-late 3rd century bce in what soon became known as Carthago Nova (now Cartagena), but these coin images are arguable because they may depict his father, Hamilcar, or other relatives instead. After Hannibal’s life, the Romans likely recalled every silver Punic coin they could find—including any that might have shown Hannibal—and melted them down to make new Roman coins with their own images. So we are left with mostly modern interpretations from long after the Roman Empire.
Second, regarding his DNA, as far as we know, we have no skeleton, fragmentary bones, or physical traces of him, so establishing his ethnicity would be mostly speculative. From what we think we know about his family ancestry, however, his Barcid family (if that’s even the right name) has been generally understood as descending from Phoenician aristocracy. If still the same relative ethnic or DNA group, which is also very difficult to prove since so many different peoples have moved into the region since, including peoples from Arabian homelands, his original ancestry would be located in what is modern Lebanon today. As far as we know, little to no Africanization—if that is an acceptable term—happened there in that region before or during his era. So attempting to say much about his original ancestry from Phoenicia is very difficult. On the other hand, since the Phoenicians arrived and then later settled in what is now Tunisia relatively early, possibly beginning around almost 1,000 years before Hannibal, it is very possible his family had intermixed in DNA with peoples then living in North Africa. But this too seems quite distant from any potential Nilotic DNA stream including via the “superhighway” of the Nile River. The distance between the Nile and Tunis is almost four times as far as the distance between the Nile and Tyre, but that may not be as important as our lack of knowledge about any potential spreading of African DNA overland across North Africa at that time, which is again possible but not known. The barrier of the Sahara would otherwise make any such ancient DNA distribution from south to north difficult but not impossible. New studies suggest that around Hannibal’s time there was likely more trans-Saharan travel via Garamantian oases [i.e., oases controlled by the Garamantes, a Berber people], so we shouldn’t deny any possible Africanization of the region of Carthage.
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If Africanization was part of Hannibal’s heritage, I and other scholars would be most interested in seeing the evidence, as we should always be ready to learn and change our perceptions when needed. If our human ancestry derives originally from Africa, it was so long ago, possibly hundreds of thousands of years in the past, who can realistically say what that original DNA was like and what people looked like then? We still must have much more hard science conducted for years into the future to even come close to understanding that prehistory. I must add just as a personal note that my own father had some African ancestry because it appears in our DNA even if it may not show in external phenotypes. Sadly, “race” has too often been a divisive political term.
Ultimately, this is a difficult question that may be even more difficult to answer simply because of lack of information. History is an imperfect record and the further back we go, all too often the less evidence survives. For now, that seems true of Hannibal’s ethnicity.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hannibals-ethnicity-and-physical-appearance-2020107
And who is Hannibal Barca? I know of a Hamilar Barca, and his famous son Hannibal. But Barca is neither a surname, nor a title applied to him. If you want to do history, at least have the minimal decency and do it properly. Strike three.
Bonus strike: that link you copy pasted from clearly indicates that any information on Hannibal's appearance is at best speculative. In short: your links contradict your claims.
So we end with a much more interesting question: how with the information you have at your disposal, did you conclude Hannibal was black in the first place?
Depiction of a Canaanite by the ancient Egyptians http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ak560417d9.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrvSCNjlOTk