Alien: Isolation

Alien: Isolation

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TheFriendlyBro 2014 年 10 月 11 日 下午 3:12
I made the Alien bleed...
So, I finally decided to use the shot-gun. I shot four shells into it's chest/head area and it actually bled and cried due to the pain. However what did not make sense to me is that, it did not even run away, it just stood still as I shot it.
Come to realise that only the flame-thrower can actually make the thing ♥♥♥♥ off.
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Zuluknob 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 3:56 
引用自 Red Moose
"The reason that the Alien in Alien:Isolation cannot be harmed with the weapons aboard the Sevastopol is that they aren't explosive tipped. In Aliens the marines had explosive tipped ammo, along with high explosive grenades etc. The Aliens (xenomorphs) have an extremely tough exoskeleton which allows for 'bullet' proof armour.

In Aliens, Gormon (the captain who freaks out) attempts to shoot the Aliens with his pistol; to which it didn't do anything.

So, the reasoning the bullets aren't explosive tipped in Sevastopol? Because it'd punch a hole through the walls/glass and cause severe damage to the station. It's more than likely the ammo is low powered so that it doesn't cause damage to the station itself, but is powerful enough to kill and wound humans; and to an effect, androids.

The Alien in Alien:Isolation still bleeds if you hit with the shotgun. Though it's incredibily minor that it's not really doing anything."

Just leaving this here again :P
The harpoon in Alien wasn't explosive tipped, it could have been a sheering self sharpening tipped harpoon though, but that isn't stated it's just an assumption based on it's application. As others have pointed out "Aliens" aliens are not the same as "Alien's" alien but Gorman had what appeared to be a 9mm pistol shooting at it's skull and the rounds glanced off the curved surface not a shotgun in the chest at close range. The damage a shotgun can do at close range is way more than a 9mm at the same range. Not just from penetration of the pellets, but from the impact. The kinetic energy has to go somewhere, the alien wouldn't just stand there and have a little cry about it.
Sleek Elk 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:09 
引用自 Zuluknob
引用自 Red Moose
"The reason that the Alien in Alien:Isolation cannot be harmed with the weapons aboard the Sevastopol is that they aren't explosive tipped. In Aliens the marines had explosive tipped ammo, along with high explosive grenades etc. The Aliens (xenomorphs) have an extremely tough exoskeleton which allows for 'bullet' proof armour.

In Aliens, Gormon (the captain who freaks out) attempts to shoot the Aliens with his pistol; to which it didn't do anything.

So, the reasoning the bullets aren't explosive tipped in Sevastopol? Because it'd punch a hole through the walls/glass and cause severe damage to the station. It's more than likely the ammo is low powered so that it doesn't cause damage to the station itself, but is powerful enough to kill and wound humans; and to an effect, androids.

The Alien in Alien:Isolation still bleeds if you hit with the shotgun. Though it's incredibily minor that it's not really doing anything."

Just leaving this here again :P
The harpoon in Alien wasn't explosive tipped, it could have been a sheering self sharpening tipped harpoon though, but that isn't stated it's just an assumption based on it's application. As others have pointed out "Aliens" aliens are not the same as "Alien's" alien but Gorman had what appeared to be a 9mm pistol shooting at it's skull and the rounds glanced off the curved surface not a shotgun in the chest at close range. The damage a shotgun can do at close range is way more than a 9mm at the same range. Not just from penetration of the pellets, but from the impact. The kinetic energy has to go somewhere, the alien wouldn't just stand there and have a little cry about it.


Correct, that's why I think the ammo used in Sevastopol is very low powered. For reasons stated above. As for the shotgun's energy; the alien DOES get wounded by a shotgun blast. It bleeds (as the OP mentioned). But it's not strong enough to blow its limbs off and result in decapitation.

As for the different types of Aliens. I believe the xenomorph in Alien (1979) was a 'drone'. That being said, I don't think they're much different in terms of biological structure. The drone xenomorphs seem to be more stealth orientated, tasked with creating a hive and surviving. Whilst the ones in Aliens (1986) seem to be very aggressive and attack in large numbers. I believe they're called 'warriors'.

As for the harpoon shot at the alien, it was obviously high powered enough (also the range was quite close) to pierce the exoskeleton of the Alien. Like I said before, the shotgun in the game does wound the Alien, but it doesn't blow it to pieces due to the low powered ammunition.
Zuluknob 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:33 
引用自 Red Moose
引用自 Zuluknob
The harpoon in Alien wasn't explosive tipped, it could have been a sheering self sharpening tipped harpoon though, but that isn't stated it's just an assumption based on it's application. As others have pointed out "Aliens" aliens are not the same as "Alien's" alien but Gorman had what appeared to be a 9mm pistol shooting at it's skull and the rounds glanced off the curved surface not a shotgun in the chest at close range. The damage a shotgun can do at close range is way more than a 9mm at the same range. Not just from penetration of the pellets, but from the impact. The kinetic energy has to go somewhere, the alien wouldn't just stand there and have a little cry about it.


Correct, that's why I think the ammo used in Sevastopol is very low powered. For reasons stated above. As for the shotgun's energy; the alien DOES get wounded by a shotgun blast. It bleeds (as the OP mentioned). But it's not strong enough to blow its limbs off and result in decapitation.

As for the different types of Aliens. I believe the xenomorph in Alien (1979) was a 'drone'. That being said, I don't think they're much different in terms of biological structure. The drone xenomorphs seem to be more stealth orientated, tasked with creating a hive and surviving. Whilst the ones in Aliens (1986) seem to be very aggressive and attack in large numbers. I believe they're called 'warriors'.

As for the harpoon shot at the alien, it was obviously high powered enough (also the range was quite close) to pierce the exoskeleton of the Alien. Like I said before, the shotgun in the game does wound the Alien, but it doesn't blow it to pieces due to the low powered ammunition.
On closer inspection the harpoon is a rounded tipped blunt not armour piercing, it also appears to be no more than a 9mm. I stand by my shotgun ripping a hole in the alien at close range.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Alien_15.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Alien_17.jpg

Edit: Having just watched the final scene the harpoon sounds like it is air powered too.
最後修改者:Zuluknob; 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:51
Sleek Elk 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:44 
引用自 Zuluknob
引用自 Red Moose


Correct, that's why I think the ammo used in Sevastopol is very low powered. For reasons stated above. As for the shotgun's energy; the alien DOES get wounded by a shotgun blast. It bleeds (as the OP mentioned). But it's not strong enough to blow its limbs off and result in decapitation.

As for the different types of Aliens. I believe the xenomorph in Alien (1979) was a 'drone'. That being said, I don't think they're much different in terms of biological structure. The drone xenomorphs seem to be more stealth orientated, tasked with creating a hive and surviving. Whilst the ones in Aliens (1986) seem to be very aggressive and attack in large numbers. I believe they're called 'warriors'.

As for the harpoon shot at the alien, it was obviously high powered enough (also the range was quite close) to pierce the exoskeleton of the Alien. Like I said before, the shotgun in the game does wound the Alien, but it doesn't blow it to pieces due to the low powered ammunition.
On closer inspection the harpoon is a rounded tipped blunt not armour piercing, it also appears to be no more than a 9mm. I stand by my shotgun ripping a hole in the alien at close range.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Alien_15.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Alien_17.jpg

Interesting find. But what you have to factor into the harpoon shot, is that the door was open to space. The vaccum was pulling everything out extremely fast. This could have aided in the penetration of the Alien's skin.

Whilst I don't deny the shotgun doing damage to the Alien, I believe it does, I do not think it's powerful enough, along with low power ammo, to dismember the Alien in Alien:Isolation causing death of the creature.

You've made some good points, though. :)

Garoux 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:50 
I think some of us are forgetting what a shotgun shell is typically comprised of: pellets. Examples: if you ask a hunter what weapon(s) they typically use, a shotgun will never be on their list for larger animals such as bears or lions, as all the pellets will do is piss them off and throw them into a blood-frenzy.

Hell, animals like bears you have to use high powered rifles on, because their skulls are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thick. So if animals with nothing except their flesh and bones can withstand shotgun pellets, then why are we expecting different results from an animal that has evolved a thick chitinous armour, that has been proven to withstand both heat and small arms fire?

Little lead balls might be semi-dangerous to softies such as us humans. But you cannot expect a creature created for the sole purpose of being the most dangerous prey in the universe, to be as toilet-paper flimsy as we are.
Zuluknob 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:54 
引用自 GarouxBloodline
I think some of us are forgetting what a shotgun shell is typically comprised of: pellets. Examples: if you ask a hunter what weapon(s) they typically use, a shotgun will never be on their list for larger animals such as bears or lions, as all the pellets will do is piss them off and throw them into a blood-frenzy.

Hell, animals like bears you have to use high powered rifles on, because their skulls are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thick. So if animals with nothing except their flesh and bones can withstand shotgun pellets, then why are we expecting different results from an animal that has evolved a thick chitinous armour, that has been proven to withstand both heat and small arms fire?

Little lead balls might be semi-dangerous to softies such as us humans. But you cannot expect a creature created for the sole purpose of being the most dangerous prey in the universe, to be as toilet-paper flimsy as we are.
No hunter want's to try it at close range and that is a very important factor where shotguns are concerned. Little lead balls moving above 1600ft/second make a mess out of 2mm steel sheet never mind soft humans.
I'm Ant 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:55 
Maybe the alien is like a heavy tank. Weak sides and rear but he front turret is far thicker armour than the rest. Alien has a massive head maybe it's very tough and as long as that lives the rest will keep healing within a few sec.

In real life a sand bag can stop an assault rifle round.

several feet of water can stop an assault rifle round.

Alien 1979 is unknown biology anything could happen. It can certanly take a hit at close range from a rocket engine.
最後修改者:I'm Ant; 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:59
Garoux 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:57 
引用自 Zuluknob
引用自 GarouxBloodline
I think some of us are forgetting what a shotgun shell is typically comprised of: pellets. Examples: if you ask a hunter what weapon(s) they typically use, a shotgun will never be on their list for larger animals such as bears or lions, as all the pellets will do is piss them off and throw them into a blood-frenzy.

Hell, animals like bears you have to use high powered rifles on, because their skulls are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thick. So if animals with nothing except their flesh and bones can withstand shotgun pellets, then why are we expecting different results from an animal that has evolved a thick chitinous armour, that has been proven to withstand both heat and small arms fire?

Little lead balls might be semi-dangerous to softies such as us humans. But you cannot expect a creature created for the sole purpose of being the most dangerous prey in the universe, to be as toilet-paper flimsy as we are.
No hunter want's to try it at close range and that is a very important factor where shotguns are concerned. Little lead balls moving above 1600ft/second make a mess out of 2mm steel sheet never mind soft humans.

Most animals that evolve on their own, which are predators, have thick enough skulls to easily deflect eveything from shotgun pellets, 9mm rounds, and even .22s from a rifle. If something like a bear can deflect pellets because of its skull, then I see no legitimate argument as to how one of the most dangerous creatures in the universe cannot deflect pellets with its chitin armour, as well as its unknown bone structure (for instance, the little mouth seems to be made up of a metallic material).
CoffeeCat 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:58 
引用自 GarouxBloodline
I think some of us are forgetting what a shotgun shell is typically comprised of: pellets. Examples: if you ask a hunter what weapon(s) they typically use, a shotgun will never be on their list for larger animals such as bears or lions, as all the pellets will do is piss them off and throw them into a blood-frenzy.

Hell, animals like bears you have to use high powered rifles on, because their skulls are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thick. So if animals with nothing except their flesh and bones can withstand shotgun pellets, then why are we expecting different results from an animal that has evolved a thick chitinous armour, that has been proven to withstand both heat and small arms fire?

Little lead balls might be semi-dangerous to softies such as us humans. But you cannot expect a creature created for the sole purpose of being the most dangerous prey in the universe, to be as toilet-paper flimsy as we are.

other shells can shoot bigger ♥♥♥♥ not just slugs
Zuluknob 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 4:58 
引用自 Red Moose
引用自 Zuluknob
On closer inspection the harpoon is a rounded tipped blunt not armour piercing, it also appears to be no more than a 9mm. I stand by my shotgun ripping a hole in the alien at close range.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Alien_15.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Alien_17.jpg

Interesting find. But what you have to factor into the harpoon shot, is that the door was open to space. The vaccum was pulling everything out extremely fast. This could have aided in the penetration of the Alien's skin.

Whilst I don't deny the shotgun doing damage to the Alien, I believe it does, I do not think it's powerful enough, along with low power ammo, to dismember the Alien in Alien:Isolation causing death of the creature.

You've made some good points, though. :)
By the time she fired the ship had lost nearly all pressure, so much so that the alien had started to pull itself back inside. It's only a small room and explosive decompression happens really fast.
Zuluknob 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 5:01 
So we have a blunt air powered harpoon gun with a tip the size of a finger vs a shotgun at close range. The shotgun would have to be so underpowered that it wouldn't hurt a human.
So it's just as cheaty as the teleporting
最後修改者:Zuluknob; 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 5:02
I'm Ant 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 5:02 
Lets say CA added acid and metal corrosion simulation to Sevestapol.

If you could, everytime you wounded the alien you would die before you got to a pressure door either from

acid splash
Hole melting straight through all the decks sucking you out into space and instant freez.
最後修改者:I'm Ant; 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 5:04
Garoux 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 5:04 
引用自 SCE_Tunguska
引用自 GarouxBloodline
I think some of us are forgetting what a shotgun shell is typically comprised of: pellets. Examples: if you ask a hunter what weapon(s) they typically use, a shotgun will never be on their list for larger animals such as bears or lions, as all the pellets will do is piss them off and throw them into a blood-frenzy.

Hell, animals like bears you have to use high powered rifles on, because their skulls are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thick. So if animals with nothing except their flesh and bones can withstand shotgun pellets, then why are we expecting different results from an animal that has evolved a thick chitinous armour, that has been proven to withstand both heat and small arms fire?

Little lead balls might be semi-dangerous to softies such as us humans. But you cannot expect a creature created for the sole purpose of being the most dangerous prey in the universe, to be as toilet-paper flimsy as we are.

other shells can shoot bigger ♥♥♥♥ not just slugs

Occam's Razor suggests that the shotguns in Alien: Isolation utilize pellet-loaded shells. The game takes place on a vessel in space, where explosive decompression is a stark reality. No one in their right mind would bring anything more powerful than a shotgun using pellet-loaded shells, onto a structure where the slighest breach could cause everyone to die from exposure to space and lack of oxygen.
I'm Ant 2014 年 10 月 12 日 上午 5:08 
Alien could have a weak outer layer to promote acid spilling out and a tough layer under it.
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